Why are the Women's doubles players not trying to win?

**eaglehelang** · 08-01-2012, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by mirrura

It's just that the WD are making it more obvious that they are throwing the match away. Can I assume that KKK/TBH also had the intention to "throw away" their final group play match (but don't do it so obvious) against LYD/CJS just to get a relatively easier QF opponent? I remember reading from the press that KKK/TBH also have the chance to choose their QF opponents.

Nope cos 1) H2H LYD/CJs has defeated KKK/TBH far more times. 2) The Koreans are ranked higher thus supposed is better. 3) The young Thai giant killers are not easier opponents. Bona/Ahsan are easier, they are known pair. 4) Both pairs would want to avoid Fu/Cai in semi. To do that they need to top the group. So,both pairs would want to play to win, not lose.5) This KKK/TBh, they have dished worse performances before, haha.

**thelawnet** · 08-01-2012, 03:52 AM

Stream here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00w2y9b

Starts at 1:01

**Mark A** · 08-01-2012, 04:09 AM

James and I were on our way home from our get-together when, inexplicably, Gail Emms came on the radio. Uh-oh...

The group stage is a fine idea but, as James and I discussed, they should have thrown the #1 and #2 from each group into a free draw (keeping the seeding structure intact), or played the last matches simultaneously. And why did I leap to "China" before the teams were even mentioned?

Gail mentioned that two teams had been black-carded... then she came on twitter this morning and said both teams were still in the fray. So, the black card was rescinded or what? When the umpire/referee is telling them off, do they even understand?

And, to top it all off, Jacques Rogge was there in person. Fantastic.

**abedeng** · 08-01-2012, 04:13 AM

The BWF hearing is underway:

http://www.greenwichtime.com/sports/...AY-3752534.php

**flite** · 08-01-2012, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

What you said fits our gang of 4's vision like a glove. We believe and argue our right to fix matches whenever possible and screw those sportsmanship thingie, we worship LYB as king maker, win at all cost even via unscrupulous means, money overides all, zero OLY spirit.
We need a leader, I vote for you and TwoBeer can be Veepee. V1Lau wants out, no man.

Oh, 1 thing I forgot...those Danes are mighty stupid especially Peter Gade...I heard they don't fix matches, that's taboo and they kill themselves on the court...what stupid players

Oh uncle c'mon. Don't be so harsh on them. Anyway this match fixing stuff is not something that happens regularly in badminton and last night's was the first. Although there were suspected cases in the past where team Denmark were alleged to have got matches involving their players thrown (Peter Gade esp.), in the end there was a no case even after a royal commission of inquiry was launched to investigate the matter. No proof according to them. Their fav quote is 'Proof It. You are innocent unless proven guilty'. So badminton is actually a clean sport until last night.

Come looking at it, did us as members of Badminton Central (the largest badminton community) has got anything to do with what had transpired yesterday night, by any measure, taking into consideration that we as one voice always condemned any unsportsmanlike conduct and match rigging regardless of what justifications that exist. The answer is YES. So in my mind I have better candidates than yours.

**mindfields** · 08-01-2012, 04:52 AM

Did these players cheat? No
Did these players fix the match. Yes. (the strength of the opposition has little effect if you serve into the net)

Did these players break olympic rules and the oath. Yes.
Is the format setup to allow this type of thing to happen. Yes.

Why is it morally wrong?
Spectators paid a lot of money to watch world class competitive badminton. The fans got screwed over. Prize money, broadcasting rights, sponsership etc is all driven by sales to the fans.
The reputation of the game is now in tatters. Long term it hurts the game.

Sad sad day for badminton. It's also a sad reflection that some fans would rather see their players win medals whilst trashing the image of the game and see nothing wrong with it.

**fnaibaf** · 08-01-2012, 05:13 AM

They didn't do anything wrong, technically.

However they just destroyed the public image of badminton. Perhaps a young Taufik, a juvenile Gade and a little Chongwei out there might now ask for a pair of speedos instead of a At700.

IMO, they need to go for acting classes if they wanna play the system. I'm sure they can throw a smash or a nice net shot, and not screw up things that beginners wouldn't.

**mindfields** · 08-01-2012, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by fnaibaf

They didn't do anything wrong, technically.

However they just destroyed the public image of badminton. Perhaps a young Taufik, a juvenile Gade and a little Chongwei out there might now ask for a pair of speedos instead of a At700

Agreed.
As a top representative of the sport they've done more damage than anyone before. Do they even understand that? ?
Do they love a owning a gold medal more than badminton?

For those of us that wish there was more badminton on TV, More badminton courts being built to play on. More prize money to encourage more participation. More coaches available to us. . .
The chances of that happening has just taken a massive nose dive.

This will effect grass roots badminton & it was done by players we're supposed to respect.

**DaveZZ79** · 08-01-2012, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by fnaibaf

Perhaps a young Taufik, a juvenile Gade and a little Chongwei out there might now ask for a pair of speedos instead of a At700.

A young Wang Xiaoli or Yu Yang would be thrilled after seeing compatriots lose on purpose: "That's our way!" and "I wanna be such a badminton player too!", or "Losing for Mother China is an honour!"

F-ing Chinese

**mindfields** · 08-01-2012, 05:35 AM

Reading a article on BBC website.
Opinion divided on Sina Weibo:
One user in Beijing said: "It all depends on the result! Once the result is right, the way you achieve it doesn't really matter."

That's the problem with the mentality out there & it projects further than sports.
If your result/aim is to make money. It doesn't matter how many babies die due to fake milk powder. . .

If your aim is to win gold it doesn't matter how much damage you do to the reputation of the game.

**stumblingfeet** · 08-01-2012, 06:00 AM

I can understand why they threw the match, it is a flaw of the pool play format. With the risk of injury if they went all out, the revealing of special strategies they might have prepared, and the preferable play-off position they would have gotten from losing, it just seems obvious that it was going to be a dumb match to begin with. I didn't even watch it at first, since my initial assumption was that it would be quite bad and meaningless.

So the women threw their games, I thought it was actually quite hilarious to watch, they really did a poor job of creating plausible deniability in their intent to lose. I wouldn't call it match fixing though, since both teams wanted to lose the outcome was unknown.

**jasonmarc** · 08-01-2012, 06:03 AM

A very sad day for Olympic Badminton and I think BWF is going to make Badminton out off Olympic very soon.

**SibugiChai** · 08-01-2012, 06:08 AM

BWF should punish all these 8 women with bikini in their quarter final match!

**Avenger** · 08-01-2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by stumblingfeet

I can understand why they threw the match, it is a flaw of the pool play format. With the risk of injury if they went all out, the revealing of special strategies they might have prepared, and the preferable play-off position they would have gotten from losing, it just seems obvious that it was going to be a dumb match to begin with. I didn't even watch it at first, since my initial assumption was that it would be quite bad and meaningless.

So the women threw their games, I thought it was actually quite hilarious to watch, they really did a poor job of creating plausible deniability in their intent to lose. I wouldn't call it match fixing though, since both teams wanted to lose the outcome was unknown.

actually I don't mind if they want to throw the match
but please
get a grip, don't play like 7 years old who just started playing badminton
cannot serve, cannot return the serve
purposely smashing onto the net

grey mel and korean player also the same
3 sets in 48 minutes, 2nd set 15 minutes, third set 13 minutes
total:
KOR pair 10 serve fault
INA pair 9 serve fault

believe me, that's really painful to watch

at least, give something decent like when lin dan purposely to lose
or when Taufik already lose against LCW
give the crowd what they want, entertain them
play some clear, lots of drops, some smashes
if they can, play some trick shot

the problem is, both want to lose, so everyone try to lose in every single point