Why are the Women's doubles players not trying to win?

**gundamzaku** · 08-01-2012, 01:39 PM

i have a hard time finding this match, does anyone know if this match was uploaded on the video sharing section??? i am very curious as to how the match looked

**Nict_26** · 08-01-2012, 01:47 PM

Dun waste ur time...i haf seen halfway then i stopped before i vomit blood...kekeke

***kwun*** · 08-01-2012, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by gundamzaku

i have a hard time finding this match, does anyone know if this match was uploaded on the video sharing section??? i am very curious as to how the match looked

Originally Posted by Nict_26

Dun waste ur time...i haf seen halfway then i stopped before i vomit blood...kekeke

i was going to say something to that magnitude.

**gundamzaku** · 08-01-2012, 01:51 PM

i just wanted to see how bad the acting was. and the players were really stuck in a Catch22 situation.

**flite** · 08-01-2012, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by LazyBuddy

I can not stop laughing...

You keep using the word "clearly", "obviously", etc, but how you qualify that? 20% of the "suppose to be level of performance", 30%, 47%, 65%??? Then, you have to also factor in the fatigue, opponents, etc. How to qualify "not trying hard enough"? Even if they "not trying", they are still better than 99.99999% of us trying 20000%...

Again, I am not saying they are innocent, based on my own common sense. However, issue a hard nailed "death penalty", while ruinning the entire event, while the organizers were the 1st ones to make it possible...

Again, my point is not to say they did not do anything wrong. My problem is IOC/BWF pushes all the blames on the little guys (girls), and actting like god, make me disgusted.

I wanted to laugh like you did but i couldn't bring myself to. Honestly, this is the most absurd post I've ever come across in the whole forum. You claimed that no one answers your question but we did. It was all there but you chose not to accept the fact.

Furthermore, you keep on saying that what the 4 pairs did wasn't right and on the other hand you claimed that they did not deserved the penalty. Do you even know what you are trying to say yourself? Wake up! Its not you. Its the authorities right based on the rules.

In the BWF's R&Rs, there is no such rubbish as 20%, 47% nor 99.9999%. Its either they find you guilty or not guilty. Go ask anyone that have watched yesterday's matches whether they clearly seen the 4 pairs deliberately, obviously play to lose their respective matches.

You can keep on struggling with all your so call reasoning but let me tell you, the more you write the more people will laugh.

**Nict_26** · 08-01-2012, 01:54 PM

Itz on youtube anyway. Proceed with caution!!
Haha..juz jokin...jus do a search on olympics womens 2012 on youtube
"what u are abt to see in this video happens to be for demo purposes, please do not try this at anywhere." ;p

**khoai** · 08-01-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Nict_26

Dun waste ur time...i haf seen halfway then i stopped before i vomit blood...kekeke

To me, it's like watching porn in front of my kids... LOL

**hafeau** · 08-01-2012, 01:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmD6VcsAoo&list=PL45D5BB10E06BA4AA&index= 4&feature=plpp_video

game start around 58 mins

**LazyBuddy** · 08-01-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by flite

I wanted to laugh like you did but i couldn't bring myself to. Honestly, this is the most absurd post I've ever come across in the whole forum. You claimed that no one answers your question but we did. It was all there but you chose not to accept the fact.

Furthermore, you keep on saying that what the 4 pairs did wasn't right and on the other hand you claimed that they did not deserved the penalty. Do you even know what you are trying to say yourself? Wake up! Its not you. Its the authorities right based on the rules.

In the BWF's R&Rs, there is no such rubbish as 20%, 47% nor 99.9999%. Its either they find you guilty or not guilty. Go ask anyone that have watched yesterday's matches whether they clearly seen the 4 pairs deliberately, obviously play to lose their respective matches.

You can keep on struggling with all your so call reasoning but let me tell you, the more you write the more people will laugh.

You can laugh all you want to. I never said they are right, and never said they do not deserve any penalty. What I said it's the following:

1. How come IOC/BWF do not issue penalty for themselves, as they should take their own share of blames for ruinning the event.

2. The DQ for all 8 are way too harsh consider all the fact. Penalty, sure yeah. But do you know there are many penalties in between "do" and "die"? What about fine, ban in future SS, deduct ranking points, etc...

**LazyBuddy** · 08-01-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by flite

In the BWF's R&Rs, there is no such rubbish as 20%, 47% nor 99.9999%. Its either they find you guilty or not guilty. Go ask anyone that have watched yesterday's matches whether they clearly seen the 4 pairs deliberately, obviously play to lose their respective matches.

Sure, there should be penalty.

However, you can not issue a death penalty for all criminal, regard the level of damage. So, in your rule book, either innocent, or death penalty?

**OneToughBirdie** · 08-01-2012, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by flite

I cant help but laugh it out loud looking at all your comments esp. on the Gang of 5!

You were really enjoying this moment as it took soooo long (years of dramas) for BWF to take stern action, at long last. As far as match rigging is concerned it came to a full circle today. From now on, your good old friend LYB wouldn't be able to manipulate matches as he wish since he is facing plenty of pressure from CBA and within.

Badminton has hope.

I forgot all about my buddy Lazybuddy, welcome to Gang of 6...we gonna fight and argue to death that LYB is not involved in this drama, now, previously and in future. Lazybuddy, you be the president of our movement 'Defend CHN against all evils' especially in BC that alledge CHN fix matches, how dare those fellas...even though what you wrote is quite a bit of mumber jumber

**flite** · 08-01-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by LazyBuddy

You can laugh all you want to. I never said they are right, and never said they do not deserve any penalty. What I said it's the following:

1. How come IOC/BWF do not issue penalty for themselves, as they should take their own share of blames for ruinning the event.

2. The DQ for all 8 are way too harsh consider all the fact. Penalty, sure yeah. But do you know there are many penalties in between "do" and "die"? What about fine, ban in future SS, deduct ranking points, etc...

You clearly messed-up with all your previous posts and now you are jumping from one point to another. You really don't know what you are talking about. You cannot even differentiate who's the governing body and who makes the call.

There is no more cowboy town.

Best wishes to you.

***cobalt*** · 08-01-2012, 02:11 PM

I believe all 4 pairs have been disqualified.

I'd like to post this again; from the handbooks of BWF; and I'd like to see where they go with it, in the present context:

http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=364322&tid=1
Part III Section 1B appendix 5
DECLARATION ON INTEGRITY OF MATCHES

Recognising that such gambling is outside the control of the BWF, but wishing to retain Badminton’s reputation for integrity, it is therefore recommended that severe penalties (possibly including exclusion from the sport for life) be applied to anyone, whether a player, or a court or team official, who influences (or attempts to influence) the normal outcome or progress of a match as determined by the skills and tactics of the players involved, typically but not always, for personal financial gain.

....and to be read in conjunction with....

http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=364321&tid=1
Part III Section 1B appendix 4

4.5 Failure to use best efforts
Not using one’s best efforts to win a match.

**AlanY** · 08-01-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by SibugiChai

BWF should punish all these 8 women with bikini in their quarter final match!

believe me, you dont wanted to see that!

**AlanY** · 08-01-2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by LazyBuddy

Yes, I did watch the game between Yu/Wang and KOR pair for a few minutes. Yes, I believe they did not try to win. All 4 of them. Yes, I was shaking my head, when I hear the boos.

However, if you give ppl death penalty, you better give real evidence. What's the evidence now? They performed below the par? They have more serve errors, and more out?

Well, answer me this. In WC 2003, on her way to champion, ZN give both Mia and CM a 11-0. Please do not tell me Mia and CM are that bad at the moment. So, why there's no penalty for Mia or CM, for "not trying their absolute best"? They probably already mentally and/or physcially gave up...

From stats, you can surely say they should be much much better. However, in theory, everyone can have a bad day. You can not give a person a death penalty, simply because, "oh, we all get upset, you, me, him, her all believe that's not normal"....

Btw, good hard evidence is drug test result, instruction in writing, instruction in tape recording, etc.

Btw, please do not just ignore my other examples of Jordyn Wieber (US gymnastics) and US basketball team. In theory, they all performed way below their own standard, so should they get banned as well? Hey, for US basketball, even the opponent coach "thanked" them in public for "not running up the score". Man, that's hard evidence....

on the same theme you could disqualify LCW for life.
he given up not even half way of the first game 4 years ago in the same Games, didn't he?

**mindfields** · 08-01-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by LazyBuddy

Sure, there should be penalty.

However, you can not issue a death penalty for all criminal, regard the level of damage. So, in your rule book, either innocent, or death penalty?

Your analogy is incorrect.
Death in this case would be a banning from the sport.
They were dq'd from one event. They are still alive & can play another day.

**HappySachs** · 08-01-2012, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

And now another breaking LATEST news...

Yu Yang: This will be my LAST badminton competition, goodbye my beloved chinese national team... wow, if that is true, then her last match is really a shame!

于洋：这也是我最后一次比赛了。再见国际羽联，再见我挚爱的羽毛球。

转自微博

This is by far the worst news to come out of all of this. I hope that she has caring friends and family who will convince her to continue in the sport she loves and is also so very very talented at. I'm hoping time and distance will provide her with perspective, I'd be absolutely gutted if she didn't play again. Yes, she needs to understand what she did wrong but she should also understand that the BWF and coaches put her in the position she found herself, most of the blame is with them.

However, what also concerns me the most is that this might not be her decision and she's being used as an example for political reasons.