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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i was going to say something to that magnitude.
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    i just wanted to see how bad the acting was. and the players were really stuck in a Catch22 situation.
    Youll have to use Firefox with addon to bypass country restrictions.

    It's a must watch, at least for the incredible acting and unfortunate predicament that the players were stuck in. At the very least one should watch it so that you can understand the situation better and understand what others are discussing about.

    At least it's like rubber necking while passing by a car accident wreck... you just can't help looking.
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    I'm pretty certain the players didn't think this up all by themselves.
    They got their orders from someone else.
    Who do you think it could be?

    I'd assume BWF is still conducting an investigation into the entire episode, and I have a feeling we will have to wait a while for the final judgements. The players could get bans longer than just this event (Olympics) or life bans too. What interests me really is to see if the instigators and bosses who really perpetrated this, are allowed to get away scot-free.

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    If the investigations and repercussions go beyond the players being dq'd to include higher up, then for sure IOC will have more excuse to remove badminton from Oly 2016 and on, as it is up for review already. So can forget about the next Oly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    I'd assume BWF is still conducting an investigation into the entire episode, and I have a feeling we will have to wait a while for the final judgements. The players could get bans longer than just this event (Olympics) or life bans too. What interests me really is to see if the instigators and bosses who really perpetrated this, are allowed to get away scot-free.
    I don't share your confidence in those corrupt collection of pinheads at the BWF. Furthermore it's a pity that they stopped at DQs for just the eight women. As you said this is likely a result of them acting on instructions and as a result I would have liked to have seen the entire Kor, Ina and Chn WD teams DQd. Then just maybe the stakeholders in our game would be forced to sit down and rethink how this whole corrupt enterprise has been run. From the Olympics to the whole corrupt qualification process. Ultimately they should just make it like volleyball, basket ball or any other team sport. One participant per country per event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khoai View Post
    To me, it's like watching porn in front of my kids... LOL
    never done that, so i wouldn't know the feeling, hahahahahahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    If the investigations and repercussions go beyond the players being dq'd to include higher up, then for sure IOC will have more excuse to remove badminton from Oly 2016 and on, as it is up for review already. So can forget about the next Oly.
    Forget about the next Oly? That's fine with me, if it means that we get to clean up the game, though! It's been done in other sports; it is do-able; BWF just need to get more professional. Right now even large parts of their handbook reads like a sad apology and cop-out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    I don't share your confidence in those corrupt collection of pinheads at the BWF. Furthermore it's a pity that they stopped at DQs for just the eight women. As you said this is likely a result of them acting on instructions and as a result I would have liked to have seen the entire Kor, Ina and Chn WD teams DQd. Then just maybe the stakeholders in our game would be forced to sit down and rethink how this whole corrupt enterprise has been run. From the Olympics to the whole corrupt qualification process. Ultimately they should just make it like volleyball, basket ball or any other team sport. One participant per country per event.
    Agreed! I'm not big on confidence re. the BWF myself, but what's the option? Chris-ccc's Player's Federation? What if that is mismanaged equally?

    I'm not sure though, about the one-participant thing. A lot of OLY disciplines have more than one participant per country, and it seems to work pretty well. Just keep a straight shootout; no group/RR phases. That reduces any opportunities for hanky-panky. The group/RR experiment assumes a certain level of integrity on the part of all involved; BWF should really have known better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Agreed! I'm not big on confidence re. the BWF myself, but what's the option? Chris-ccc's Player's Federation? What if that is mismanaged equally?

    I'm not sure though, about the one-participant thing. A lot of OLY disciplines have more than one participant per country, and it seems to work pretty well. Just keep a straight shootout; no group/RR phases. That reduces any opportunities for hanky-panky. The group/RR experiment assumes a certain level of integrity on the part of all involved; BWF should really have known better!
    Yes but those are real sports with real federations who would bring down real consequences on any hanky-panky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    If the investigations and repercussions go beyond the players being dq'd to include higher up, then for sure IOC will have more excuse to remove badminton from Oly 2016 and on, as it is up for review already. So can forget about the next Oly.
    If the IOC removes badminton from 2016 onward, we'll look back to today as the moment of truth and have LYB to &#$%.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan888 View Post
    If the IOC removes badminton from 2016 onward, we'll look back to today as the moment of truth and have LYB to &#$%.

    And if more people start following badminton this olympics because of the WD scandal, then you are going to personally thank LYB?? And How the f-ing hell can you blame LYB for the behaviour og the Japaneese girls (that didn't even get disqualified, the sneaky b*rds, but instead got a medal they most likely would not have gotten without throwing a match :-) ), or the behaviour of the indonesian-team, and Koreans?? Your hate must be really blind, man!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan888 View Post
    If the IOC removes badminton from 2016 onward, we'll look back to today as the moment of truth and have LYB to &#$%.

    Nonsense, this isn't about LYB or China. The entire badminton community is to blame. From the BWF and the National associations who created this corrupt environment, to the players who where complicit or at the very least silent on the matter (I can think of a few who spoke out but really in the case of TH it was more finger pointing at China than anything else). and to the fans who cheered such actions and accepted such results as legitimate.

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    Do you seriously believe the audience is going to love badminton after watching pro players hitting birdies into the net and out-of-bound the entire game? That is what they will show on TV and what the audience will see. That is a disgrace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    If the investigations and repercussions go beyond the players being dq'd to include higher up, then for sure IOC will have more excuse to remove badminton from Oly 2016 and on, as it is up for review already. So can forget about the next Oly.
    The thing gets even more embarrasing for both BWF and IOC as there was a meeting with team managers a few days before the olympics started where team managers asked them to reschedule so that the last group stage matches where played simultaneuosly to avoid these kind of scenarios. But IOC/BWF was to lazy, or found it to bothersome to change the schedule at that "late" stage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    Nonsense, this isn't about LYB or China. The entire badminton community is to blame. From the BWF and the National associations who created this corrupt environment, to the players who where complicit or at the very least silent on the matter (I can think of a few who spoke out but really in the case of TH it was more finger pointing at China than anything else). and to the fans who cheered such actions and accepted such results as legitimate.
    Come on. Let's not start with "The entire badminton community is to blame" excuse. Let's be real, there are some bad actors here. Granted LYB isn't the only bad one, plus the Korean and Indonesian coaches too. But LYB is notoriously for such activity in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan888 View Post
    Come on. Let's not start with "The entire badminton community is to blame" excuse. Let's be real, there are some bad actors here. Granted LYB isn't the only bad one, plus the Korean and Indonesian coaches too. But LYB is notoriously for such activity in the past.
    Yes he is notorious because the power of team China allows gives him that option. If you think that if any other country had China's depth you wouldn't see them behave in such a manner you are on crack. In fact, the only good thing I can say about the BWF is that they didn't bring in the line judges from the Korean open to judge these games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    Yes he is notorious because the power of team China allows gives him that option. If you think that if any other country had China's depth you wouldn't see them behave in such a manner you are on crack. In fact, the only good thing I can say about the BWF is that they didn't bring in the line judges from the Korean open to judge these games.
    Just because someone steal and cheat, don't assume everyone will steal and cheat. You don't need to be on crack to have more moral here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    Yes he is notorious because the power of team China allows gives him that option. If you think that if any other country had China's depth you wouldn't see them behave in such a manner you are on crack. In fact, the only good thing I can say about the BWF is that they didn't bring in the line judges from the Korean open to judge these games.
    I have to agree on this one.

    Do not do = have the ability and chance, but choose not to do = Saint
    Can not do = never have such ability and chance, but acting like saint = loser

    So, please, the "can not do it" ones should not act like a "do not do it" hero... It's just laughable...

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