Why are the Women's doubles players not trying to win?

**craigandy** · 07-31-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by kenjai7373

blaming it all on the chinese is really absurd as other teams were doing the same thing. but its not as ridiculous as the ye shiwen doping bs. a lot of anti china bs on the internet lolz.

Chinese team for sure are at the root of this long simmering "match fixing", it's a real shame other countries lowered themselves to their level

***Cheung*** · 07-31-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by maofthun

The BWF has no one to blame but themselves for not putting safeguards in place to prevent such fiascoes. I don't blame China & Korea at all. They were both concerned with the big picture of winning the tournament and/or maximizing the number of medals they can reap from it. It's not much different than, say, Bradley Wiggins' teammates sacrificing themselves to help him win the Tour de France, or when Wiggins sacrificing himself by setting the pace in the last lap of the last stage and then letting Cavendish through to take the win. It's just team strategy, that's all. If the BWF don't want to see this they need to be smarter about how to structure the tournament. I feel sorry for paying customers though. What I don't understand is why the Koreans didn't just fake an injury, forfeit the match and screw the Chinese

This point has been mentioned before by a few. I think this really is the crux of the issue. To be honest, I am in favour of the group system so that more matches can be played for a public viewing and for the athletes.

However, we do see how the system can be manipulated. No, it's not cheating but highly tactical. i.e. a tactical loss.

In another thread, we did see that people argued for all the best players to be in the olympics - this fiasco (and some previous olympic semifinals) show that having the best players around doesn't necessarily mean they will play to their best.

Any group format will have this problem if two of the group can qualify.

Having only one representative from each country would go long way to avoid this scenario.

**OneToughBirdie** · 07-31-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by demolidor

"In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honor of our teams"

Kick out for breaking the oath

?

Originally Posted by V1lau

What part of the Oath did they break?

Vilau, I am all for you bro, you feel so lonely outta there so I gonna join ya, now where is that chap twobeer, we need him too to defend our comrades from being called 'cheaters', 'fixers' 'unsportmanship', yadayada... how dare these chaps in these forums criticize our comrades. We ain't break no rules...CHN Boleh

**CantSmashThis** · 07-31-2012, 07:59 PM

It is in the BWF regulations that the player must use their best effort.

"4.5 Failure to use best efforts
Not using one’s best efforts to win a match."

Ok so in the INA vs. Korea match, KOR tried to throw the match in order not to face the #1 seed from CHN correct? But even if they ended up losing, they would have a KOR vs. KOR in 1st round of QFs. So the KOR don't have confidence in their pairs in that sense? Why would they rather have a KOR vs. KOR in 1st round rather than have 1 pair try to beat CHN.

**bennydut** · 07-31-2012, 08:00 PM

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/racquet-sports/news/article/top-doubles-pairs-booed-for-appearing-play-lose.html

--> it's on the news...

**craigandy** · 07-31-2012, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cheung

However, we do see how the system can be manipulated. No, it's not cheating but highly tactical. i.e. a tactical loss.

Agreed with everything apart from this line. BWF still reserve the right to punish anything that brings the sport into disrespute. Looks like this has.

**kenjai7373** · 07-31-2012, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by craigandy

Chinese team for sure are at the root of this long simmering "match fixing", it's a real shame other countries lowered themselves to their level

u r mistaking soccer match fixing from badminton lolz. its more like they plan on the possibility of china to face each other in with group matches cuz in single elimination, the only way china vs china is in the finals. good thing china doesnt whine to the level like those who whines about china cheating and other bs. lolz.

**CantSmashThis** · 07-31-2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bardie

BTW - Why they don't make the draw AFTER the groupstage ?

Then more teams will throw their matches. If you're gonna make a draw and two teams already qualified, going into that final match, no one will try. Why waste energy when you already qualified for the next round? Winning or losing that last match won't matter because you won't know who you'll play against anyways since it's all by random.

**madbad** · 07-31-2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by craigandy

Watching bbc olympic sportsday programme, the guy on the show claimed that todays behaviour it must "be an oriental thing it means so much to them over their so i'm not surprised"

You serious he actually said that?

Grounds for being fired. People have been let go for less than that

**craigandy** · 07-31-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by kenjai7373

u r mistaking soccer match fixing from badminton lolz. its more like they plan on the possibility of china to face each other in with group matches cuz in single elimination, the only way china vs china is in the finals. good thing china doesnt whine to the level like those who whines about china cheating and other bs. lolz.

They are not cheating you are right, but this is about badminton and it's growth and well being not China winning.

**craigandy** · 07-31-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by madbad

You serious he actually said that?

Grounds for being fired. People have been let go for less than that

Yip it was a disgrace.

**madbad** · 07-31-2012, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by bennydut

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/racquet-sports/news/article/top-doubles-pairs-booed-for-appearing-play-lose.html

--> it's on the news...

Love this quote from the news item above:

"It's not like the Olympics spirit to play like this," said head coach Sung Han-kook. "How could the No. 1 pair in the world play like this? They start playing mistakes. Their attitude is absolute crap."

**kenjai7373** · 07-31-2012, 08:11 PM

the irony of all this are those complaining really wants china to lose, but when china loses on purpose or not, they still complain cuz china has higher chances to get the gold. lolz.

**kenjai7373** · 07-31-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by craigandy

They are not cheating you are right, but this is about badminton and it's growth and well being not China winning.

as long as china keeps winning, there will be no growth which is actually not china's fault. people will get tired of china vs china finals. lolz.

**ctjcad** · 07-31-2012, 09:00 PM

how about KOREA & INDONESIA teams?..are they trying or not trying?..

**OneToughBirdie** · 07-31-2012, 09:00 PM

Defenders of CHN being called 'match fixers', 'cheaters' yadayada...
So far we have
V1Lau
TwoBeer (even though he is missing in action in this thread)
Kenjai7373
otb...(err, okay count me in to keep V1Lau company

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and who else...against the rest of the BC gang who accuse our great comrades