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08-02-2012, 09:48 PM #290
in some sports, people actually look for faults as proper game strategy.
what is different in badminton is that our values and expectations are different. so it is hard to mix the two.
08-02-2012, 09:54 PM #291
08-02-2012, 09:56 PM #292
Disqualifications simply for the birdies
August 2, 2012 00:08:00
LONDON, ENGLAND -- Reflecting on the decision of four badminton teams to throw their games here in order to get a better playoff draw, the face of London 2012 spent Wednesday wagging his finger. "Depressing. Who wants to sit through something like that?" LOCOG chief Sebastian Coe moaned. "It is unacceptable."
It's an unseemly thing for him to say.
Coe long ago retired from athletics, and instead switched over to a job in sales. It's no longer within his competence to judge what is or isn't ethically acceptable behaviour for people who still need to win in order to pay their rent.
Hours later, the discipline's governing body cravenly capitulated to public opinion (most of that public presumably having never watched a game of badminton before in their lives).
Four teams, including the defending world champions, were tossed from the badminton competition for the sin of playing the long game instead of the short one.
What's not at issue here is that games were thrown. The four pairs -- two from South Korea, one each from China and Indonesia -- embarked on an amusing journey into true amateurism Tuesday. Over and over, they smashed the shuttlecock into the net. They put easy shots wide. No rally lasted more than four returns.
How would you look competing in the Olympics? Now you know.
All four pairs were trying to ease their draw going into the knockout round, where lesser teams play each other before they meet the powerhouses. The Chinese, who have used this strategy for years on the world badminton stage, wanted to ensure their entrants could not meet before the gold medal match.
They're out now. Four inferior teams, including a Canadian pair, were pushed forward as replacements.
That's the silver lining to this thing -- playing another surprise entrant, Australia, Canadians Alex Bruce and Michele Li advanced to Thursday's semis. They're one win from a medal. You're happy for them, but just because it broke right for us doesn't make it fair.
If anyone's to blame, it is organizers who decided to make this competition a round robin instead of a straight elimination. You want maximum effort? You make every match count. Otherwise, you introduce gamesmanship into the mix.
The ticket-buying public was upset. Vocally so inside the venue, chanting "Off! Off! Off!" Three hundred years ago, their ancestors meant "heads" when they said that.
That seems to be the real problem here. The gawkers didn't reach their fun quota on Tuesday night. If so, the ticket-buying public can go suck rocks.
The only people who matter at the Olympics are the ones standing inside the lines of play. They're the ones doing what they are not paid to do -- they are competing. At this level, strategic losing is part of that.
It happens in most sports, though more subtly. If they're going to start booting every athlete who takes it easy in a heat or fields an understrength squad in a meaningless game, the next job for the soldiers wandering around here is switching out fatigues for spandex and beginning to compete.
If you want to watch people playing for the sheer joy of doing so, I'm sure there's a badminton club somewhere within driving distance of wherever you live. Otherwise, leave what's acceptable behaviour inside the game to those for whom it actually matters.
What Coe and all the rest of the frothers are getting confused about is the difference between a spectacle and a show.
The Olympics are entertaining. They are not entertainment.
Pro athletes owe you their best every night. That's what they're getting paid to do. Amateurs owe nothing to the crowd. This isn't a circus. They're not getting a cut of the gate.
Amateurs are here to represent their country and win medals. The national federations that pay their subsistence wage are their bosses. They don't care how good you look. They don't care how hard you tried. They care how much you win. Public sports funding isn't charity. It's an extension of a nation's foreign policy objectives. One of those is that you are hale enough to occasionally kick the asses of your friends and enemies.
Putting aside all the lip service paid to respecting the Olympic spirit (tell that to the guys working at the doping labs), the highest goal here is to win within the boundaries of the rules.
There's no rule in any sport that says you must be good. Otherwise, none of us would play anything. They play these Games to win.
What is truly depressing is that, while undetected drug cheats will continue on here, a group of competitors playing by the well-established rules of their small world have been robbed of glory by people who didn't know who they were before Tuesday, and will forget who they are in a few days' time.
But, for those eight competitors, the unfairness of being robbed by a riled-up, half-interested mob will last forever.
08-02-2012, 10:00 PM #293
I read fictional books for entertainment... thus fiction reading (the act) is an entertaining activity. I read a text book to learn, it's boring sometimes to memorize terms and facts... thus it's not an entertaining activity, it's an learning activity.
You watch NBA basketball to see who will win between the Spurs and Heat with buddies on Friday night at the bar, the act of watching/drinking/chatting/eating (spending leisure time) is entertaining you.. thus it is entertainment.
BTW, I was court side and not a half ass spectator. As were all the other people there were very interested in the quality of play and how the players represented themselves and their nations.
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08-02-2012, 10:15 PM #294
i also play badminton regularly for entertaining myself (releasing stress). but this is different from playing badminton to entertain somebody else.
08-02-2012, 10:22 PM #295
08-02-2012, 10:27 PM #296
Like it or not, the athletes are on the WORLD STAGE to showcase themselves to citizens of the world, there's certain guidelines and behaviour that's expected of them. What went on Tuesday was beyond those guidelines all athletes swore to obey during the opening ceremonies. You can argue it was the organizer's fault for setting up RR that's to be exploited.
But in China, there's an idiom. "You cannot force a cow's head down to drink water if it doesn't want to drink." Fact is, they chose to exploit the system for more favorable medal chances and got caught.
From the perspective of "winning" the gold and "owning" the podium, that's the "right" "strategy/tactics" to use. Sun Tzu would applaud them for using their wits.
From the perspective of the oath they swore to participate at this Olympic Stage of competition. They took the line and wrap it around themselves to suite their own needs while ignoring official warnings from the BWF.
They got their punishment the next day. Was it just? was it fair? Debate all you want, it is what it is.
The Chinese camp is throwing their pair under the bus. LYB's "apology" (perhaps lost in translation) wasn't much of an apology the way it was worded. All he said was He apologizes to the fans and the nation for what went on. He never directly took responsibility for the whole mess or to protect his WD #1 pair. In his eyes, there's young players to replace them anyways.
my 2 cp.
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08-02-2012, 11:27 PM #297
08-02-2012, 11:31 PM #298
08-02-2012, 11:32 PM #299
Uh, that's not an "idiom".
08-02-2012, 11:35 PM #300
I bet with him playing badminton, with nunchucks or not, must have been equally entertaining.
08-02-2012, 11:36 PM #301
GIVEN: The players/coaches/BWF are at fault.
QUESTION: In case YY/WYL did not throw the match and eventually met ZYL/TQ, thus avoiding the CHN-CHN finals; how would people react? I bet people would say they were stupid(honorable but stupid!) for not losing to KOR in the QF.
Sadly, it's a lose-lose situation for them...
the tourney format sucks... BIGTIME! lol...
08-02-2012, 11:50 PM #302
A pyramid of faults with the BWF at the bottom, coaches in the middle and players at top.
08-03-2012, 12:08 AM #303
08-03-2012, 12:21 AM #304
08-03-2012, 12:26 AM #305
08-03-2012, 12:26 AM #306
In terms of entertainment, I actually skipped watching the WD China vs Korea game initially because I actually expected it to be played with low effort given their positions in the round robin. I then went back to watch it after hearing about the controversy, and I found it extremely entertaining, not so much for quality of the match but for how brazenly they were both throwing the game. Obviously, the situation is a bit different if you paid money to watch the competition, though that's always a risk when getting tickets for the last few games before the playoffs.