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  • The players are at fault for throw matches

    38 17.67%
  • BWF is to blame for implementing group structure

    77 35.81%
  • no one / other are to be blamed.

    7 3.26%
  • both players and BWF are to be blamed

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    I really hate to see match-fixing as Chinese did many times, sacrificing one's chance for the so-called 'Greater Good'. But I can not grasp why everybody is riding the moral high horse and condemning the players involved this time.

    4 pairs played lesser games in a tournament's round robin part in order to avoid a very strong no.2 pair in the playoff. It is a strategic move based on their own interests. What's so bad about that? Granted they did it so bluntly and showed no respect of the game, but this kinda stuff happens in lots of sports all the time. Teams lose group matches on purpose to avoid strong opponents in the playoffs, I've seen it the WC football(soccer), basketball, and even badminton.

    So what it is the Olympics? The ultimate goal is still to win, they didn't even play dirty IMO, just did something disrespectful within the rule. You can see in every sports that superior athletes made less efforts in the qualifies just to get into the finals. Some are just less obvious, while the motives are not much different. Can you disqualify Bolt if he slows down in a qualifying match knowing that he got enough to put him into the final?

    People are so excited here because I think it was Chinese who initiated this, anti-Chinese and anti-LYB sentiments are strong here. While I agree LYB is not the best thing to badminton, the punishment of this incident is not fair. I would have cheered if the hammer was dropped on the match-fixing, rather than the match-throwing which was mainly the system's fault.

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    Default A case of INFECTION GONE WILD

    While players are wrong and pinned spot-on by the 'misconduct abusive to the sport' clause, BWF is not completely a saint either. While BWF may think that it doesn't want to cause any stirrings and uproars while these worms were festering moons ago, this Olympic blooper could have probably been avoided had the cane been whacked on the buttocks earlier. But they had to wait till such an occasion to bring the cane. This is a case of negligence on BWF's part, for brewing the beer too long until it's infection is endemic.

    The 2nd charge that surely sticks is that, the letting go of misconduct under its very nose and so frequently by one country (we all know which country), had brewed and festooned other's country's notion of 'if they can do it, why can't I?' Of course not everyone will feel justice. This breeds contempt for both BWF and the 'loophole abuser'. Now that everyone is joining in and practicing it, making the sport look like a funny video of blunders, finally BWF brings the axe down. So BWF is certainly not a Saint either.

    I say, for the love of badminton, LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebro View Post
    I really hate to see match-fixing as Chinese did many times, sacrificing one's chance for the so-called 'Greater Good'. But I can not grasp why everybody is riding the moral high horse and condemning the players involved this time.

    People are so excited here because I think it was Chinese who initiated this, anti-Chinese and anti-LYB sentiments are strong here. While I agree LYB is not the best thing to badminton, the punishment of this incident is not fair. I would have cheered if the hammer was dropped on the match-fixing, rather than the match-throwing which was mainly the system's fault.
    Cannot be better said here. Many so-call fans acting like god, and cash their own excitement based on others' pain.

    2 days ago, ppl consider Jordyn Wieber's cut from all-around "ridiculous", and threaten to protest to force a change of the system. 2 days later, ppl dream about every player should be god standard, and always put the spirit on top of anything else, even that means their own job and career. Get real...

    Look at yourself in the mirror, and ask yourself that "what will I do, if I am 1 of the 8 ladies". Honestly, I cannot say I can do better (besides better acting like others suggested :-d). I am sure 99.99999% of the bashers will "proudly" say, "I will NEVER do that"... While, that's more likely should be, "I CAN NEVER get a chance to either consider that, but if I CAN, maybe...."

    Whatever...

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    The number of pair who qualified in OG's Doubles (WD,MD,XD) are very small only 16 pairs.
    It forced BWF did Group Stage and crossing 1st & 2nd position on every group.

    Big different in Tennis, although the player's quota is almost equals, there are draw 64 in Singles and Draw 24 ini doubles because some players can play in 2 disciplines.

    BWF should change to add the doubles to be 24 pair, and cut the Singles to be 32.

    Player Quota = 172.
    Singles = 32 players
    Doubles = 24 pairs
    By this number, they could be devided into 8 groups without "crossing" di Knock Out Round, only the group winners who passed to Quarter Final.

    WS = 32
    MS = 32
    the number of doubles :
    MD = 18
    WD = 18
    XD = 18
    We see some players play in 2 discipline like Juhl, Pedersen, Michelle Li, Zhao Yunlei, Cheng W.H., Sorokina so any room BWF can give Wild Cards (WCs) to "new" player to add the new double.

    Example :
    WC for Kunchala, to add 1 WD, Kunchala/Saralee
    WC for Rijal, to add 1 XD, Rijal/Greysia, etc
    (In tennis, the National Association send the request and the combination ever play together and has good record).
    Another Double also could be added from the player on other discipline.
    Just for example,
    Simon/Taufik, or Towi/Simon to play in MD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by habsq View Post
    No. That's really poor analogy.

    A more suitable analogy would be:
    Students are cheating because they are encourage to do so (no punishment whatsoever for cheater). If a student is not very bright and doesn't cheat, they will not be accepted at certain school/university because other students which also are not very bright are cheating as well. Are they innocent? No. However, they are not the only one that can be blamed.
    haha
    let see if these student can excel in society.
    senario one
    sound like malaysia robber: oh i have to rob because malaysia police is not effective/hopeless and no company want to hire me.

    senario two
    sound like malaysia driver: why i so bad luck get punished for speeding while others do so too?
    everyone is speeding home,why me?T.T curse the traffic police
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    with wang/yu and lyb admitted their fault
    i cant see how valid the excuse been given by some bcer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Just found this...

    Gail's opinion on the 'domino' effect really holds water. It's just a natural survival instinct for players to maximise their chances for the gold or entering the final. Don't preach to me about about being a saint for the love of the sport, if your are not world no.1, you need to live off money, not just glory alone. Be practical, sincere and realistic. Not everyone is a LD or LCW. Not even LCW escaped being ridiculed.

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    The Chinese coach apologized and said it was his fault. I guess he told his players to tank and others followed. So it's his fault.

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    I don't really blame the players, because all they did was to try to advance further in the competition. If that's not taking the occasion seriously, then what is?

    I don't really blame BWF because they are too stupid to foresee such incidents.

    So, I voted for "blame no one".

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    Blame the town Badminton for having the "bad" in its name. If its name was Greatminton, we'd be playing that now.

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    Now Disqualify him and make him inaccessible to the players/coaches competing in the game... It would be unfair to let him continue after all this in this game...

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    I think we should blame the World for creating olympic, if no olympic this would not happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by vip_m View Post
    The Chinese coach apologized and said it was his fault. I guess he told his players to tank and others followed. So it's his fault.
    I haven't read that. I read him apologizing on behalf of his players but not for any personal responsibility on his behalf. Could you supply a link or quote please? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong View Post
    Blame the town Badminton for having the "bad" in its name. If its name was Greatminton, we'd be playing that now.
    that's a great point lotta pipel missing, feng shui wise is not gooding to have the word BAD

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    BWF's quick reaction to disqualify the four pairs came as a big surprise to me. I guess they recognized immediately there is a chance badminton might be kicked out of Olympics either temporarily or permanently and if it did happen the biggest loser here is China as they would lose a big chunk of medals. Malaysia and Indonesia would be the second victims here as they would have no chance to win a medal in Olympics. On the positive note, maybe this scandal helps to promote the sports, makes it known to the world

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    I am in North America here, I've heard of this over a sports radio station here in Vancouver and the hosts said while it is not good sportsmanship, however the rules were in place for this to happen and it's completely within the rules at the time for them to lose and get a more favorable draw in the knockout rounds. They said that why would the #1 seed want to play the #2 seed who are their comrades when it can be avoided within the context of the rules here. Isn't the goal here to get the medal, and by doing what they did, they are trying to give their country the best result which would be a gold and silver. Teams lose all the time to get better draft postions in professional sports, are they ever penalized, the answer is no. A few years ago, the Indianopolis Colts was on the verge of a perfect season in the NFL, all they need was win their final home game and what did they do? The coach decided it was a meaningless game with the playoffs coming and they sat all their star players and lost that game and a chance at history. Actually it seems in terms of acceptance of what happened, alot of people here in the western culture seem ok with this. Just my 2 cents....

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    To me, its totally not fair on the players.. Because the rules of the games were made such a way that it allows it to happen.. I dun see clubs getting DQ for playing a weaker team when they have qualified... So I can totally understand what the 8 players were thinking... BWF is just trying to cover up for their mistakes and the opposition of other players

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    My take is that BWF is responsible for this fiasco in implementing a round robin system. Prior to the Games BWF was warned by many ex-officials of the almost certainty of match-fixing with the round robin system but it chose to ignore them.
    The players are not the prime guilty parties, just very competitive athletes wanting to gain a competitive edge. That is why there are four pairs from 3 countries that were involved, and all from the better players and not from lesser players. The only misconduct they are guilty of is to violet the BWF rule of not trying their best to win. But this rule may be good and sound but the silly introduction of the round robin "weakens" the credibility of this rule somewhat because it encourages the better players to fix matches for a competitive advantage.
    The sackings may be correct but for a political reason and that is to save badminton from being kicked out of future Olympics. But the BWF group of decision makers who opted for the round robin must also be sacked, not now but later.
    This solution holds every party responsible with the biggest chop for the BWF head.

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