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  • The players are at fault for throw matches

    38 17.67%
  • BWF is to blame for implementing group structure

    77 35.81%
  • no one / other are to be blamed.

    7 3.26%
  • both players and BWF are to be blamed

    93 43.26%
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    Quote Originally Posted by xymaerts View Post
    Foot ball like world cup & Euro cup also implemented group match.. But, why can't we see they abuse it?
    you don't see it, but they can use their weaker or rookie players when they are not serious about winning (if you read between the lines, that just means they don't use their stronger star players if they can afford to lose)

    happens all the time in team sports, it's just that it's not as obvious

    and this would be considered smart tactics on the part of the coaches

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    Quote Originally Posted by xymaerts View Post
    Foot ball like world cup & Euro cup also implemented group match.. But, why can't we see they abuse it?
    1. The scheduling makes it more difficult to abuse the rules.
    2. They actually abuse it, but they make it less obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by habsq View Post
    1. The scheduling makes it more difficult to abuse the rules.
    2. They actually abuse it, but they make it less obvious.
    I belib FIFA will do as BWF is team start scoring own GOALS from kick off

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    I belib FIFA will do as BWF is team start scoring own GOALS from kick off
    This has happened before in an international football match. Two teams trying hard not to win, eventually one of them decided to make a back pass all the way to the defender and score to his own goal.

    The guy was suspended from international football for life, others left unscathed. No disqualification, no punishments for the two nations involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by habsq View Post
    This has happened before in an international football match. Two teams trying hard not to win, eventually one of them decided to make a back pass all the way to the defender and score to his own goal.

    The guy was suspended from international football for life, others left unscathed. No disqualification, no punishments for the two nations involved.
    what match was that?

    That's why BWF only ban players not the who association...

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    you don't see it, but they can use their weaker or rookie players when they are not serious about winning (if you read between the lines, that just means they don't use their stronger star players if they can afford to lose)

    happens all the time in team sports, it's just that it's not as obvious

    and this would be considered smart tactics on the part of the coaches
    What do you mean by that? You mean when Messi or Ronaldo was sat out of a meaningless match and they announced that they suffered some kind of injury during training but somehow recovered in time for the next match was a tactic by their manager??? Holy batman that can't be!!!!
    Last edited by Jasonvan; 08-03-2012 at 04:31 AM.

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    the little piece of commentary writing by Anna Rice is interesting. just shows how unprepared the planner for the scheduling was for this version of round robin format..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    what match was that?

    That's why BWF only ban players not the who association...
    You can look at Tiger Cup 1998.

    It is very easy just to punish the players and only them because they are powerless and unable to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonvan View Post
    Let me ask you something, for tennis in Olympics, it's one loss and you're out. So if Federer for example loses in the first round than he's got nobody to blame but himself. But I'm pretty sure he's not thinking "oh it's a waste of my time" to go to London. Well you can basically insert any of the grand slam tennis tournment also.

    ESPN had an article about this as well that was pretty well written.
    http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2...inting-fingers

    Also don't you think soccer/football in the world cup is a bigger stage than Olympics? In 1982 Austria scored first and beat Germany 1-0 but both teams can still advance with that result. Guess what happened afterwards, let's just say the ball went nowhere near the net of either team and Algeria was eliminated. Than they implemented the system where games are played at the same time. Austria and Germany wasn't expelled from the tournment and FIFA realized they messed up big and changed the way the tournment was played. We are in a very results based society so if the rules are in place to get a better result than teams/players will use it. And don't just say oh China is the cheaters etc they're in the position to do what they did because they're the dominating nation/team. If another country/team is in the same position they'll most likely be doing the same thing if it's within the context of the rules and it will give them the best results.
    Let me temporarily delay that till I have more time to post something sensible
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    Watching the Athletics and Michael Johnson (Olympic Champion and World Record Holder) just said about one of the heats:

    "you just want to do enough, and conserve as much energy as you can, there's no point in using energy you don't have to"

    Surely this athlete should now be disqualified, they're no longer using there best efforts!

    Surely Usain Bolt should have been DQ'd from the 100M final in Beijing as he didn't use his best efforts for the full race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LD rules! View Post
    Watching the Athletics and Michael Johnson (Olympic Champion and World Record Holder) just said about one of the heats:

    "you just want to do enough, and conserve as much energy as you can, there's no point in using energy you don't have to"

    Surely this athlete should now be disqualified, they're no longer using there best efforts!

    Surely Usain Bolt should have been DQ'd from the 100M final in Beijing as he didn't use his best efforts for the full race?
    Yeah but he didn't run backwards whilst doing twirls forward rolls and skipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by habsq View Post
    You can look at Tiger Cup 1998.

    It is very easy just to punish the players and only them because they are powerless and unable to fight back.
    all evidence is pointed at players, what evidence you have against the coach & the association?

    players are the one who stab the knife and hand full of blood but the coaches are the one who instructed them...

    but nobody see that further more the players has to final choice not to follow order.

    I dont see why I need to rob a bank if my boss asked me to, I know it wrong and I will lose my job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post

    I dont see why I need to rob a bank if my boss asked me to, I know it wrong and I will lose my job.
    i agree that your statement above is a right attitude to do. but to compare the example above with what happen in this OG badminton, i think it's can't be compare.

    rob a bank is criminal thing, and definitely wrong to do. but tactically 'choose' your opponent to open your chance on winning the title is strategical thing. and strategy or tactics should be part of some games if not all i think? afterall, the format being used itself is prone to strategical acts.

    i agree that what the players did is really a shameful and disrespectful act to the crowds and spectators, but the reason they did it still understandable. people can blame them for showing such playing in front of full crowd, but to blamed them for cheating and other harsh reason, i don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post
    i agree that your statement above is a right attitude to do. but to compare the example above with what happen in this OG badminton, i think it's can't be compare.

    rob a bank is criminal thing, and definitely wrong to do. but tactically 'choose' your opponent to open your chance on winning the title is strategical thing. and strategy or tactics should be part of some games if not all i think? afterall, the format being used itself is prone to strategical acts.

    i agree that what the players did is really a shameful and disrespectful act to the crowds and spectators, but the reason they did it still understandable. people can blame them for showing such playing in front of full crowd, but to blamed them for cheating and other harsh reason, i don't know.
    No matter how much the format encouraged players or how much leniency BWF have showed in the past, the fact still remains that the code of conduct rules are and have always been there in black and white and they were found guilty of breaking the rules(i.e cheating). This fact at least needs to be accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LD rules! View Post
    Watching the Athletics and Michael Johnson (Olympic Champion and World Record Holder) just said about one of the heats:

    "you just want to do enough, and conserve as much energy as you can, there's no point in using energy you don't have to"
    Surely this athlete should now be disqualified, they're no longer using there best efforts!
    Surely Usain Bolt should have been DQ'd from the 100M final in Beijing as he didn't use his best efforts for the full race?
    He was still in the finals right? He still needed to be in top 2 or 3 in the Heats to go into the finals(win), he could not get last(lose). If Usain Bolt lost, then he'll be out of the finals. If he lost, he would be questioned why. If it was found he purposely lost,, there'll be investigations as to whether he took bribes or coerced/blackmailed to do so.

    Conserving energy and deliberately/purposely losing is a different matter. Running is not a good example, look up lawn bowling.

    Football or other team sports also happen,yes, but harder to prove. A reserve player and a main player playing are 2 different persons, different standards of play. BUT... if there is evidence or someone comes forward....
    Badminton is individual sports(except for team events), same person playing, how to justify playing like beginner when one is World CHampion, World ranking top 10. Other sports do it doesnt make it right, just means it's harder to prove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    who is going to have a go first?
    To say that London is very civilised people is quite controversial. British riot happened not that long ago. Did Singapore riot in the past 2 decades ?

    It is the opposite. Maybe they are afraid London spectator would riot if nothing is being done. In Singapore Open, Lin Dan got away without anyone throwing a single bottle because the spectators are afraid of the authority

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    Actually the choice # 4 ď both players and BWF are to be blamed ď no need to be in the list as to distinguish within players & BWF to be blame most (root cause), then the coach escape behind the scape-G (players),
    Donít forget last time during the line call saga by the disgraceful linesmen BWF keep on sleeping as it happen until Lin Dan being a victim. BWF let it happen like nobody business and they wait until paranoid level.They just sleeping like nobody business when certain country keep on practicing it.
    Why not get the statistic which country practice it most. Oops..!! somebody so shy to mention. So hide it.(nice culture)
    More disgusting a coach demand his players for apology as he is the maestro of this disgrace culture and use a players as the curtain to hide his.....what ah..?? And yet BWF using round robin which is as good as mouse trap at weird timing to take action where the earlier country which do it just escape freely. To me players is a victim.

    For match fixing, BWF has been sleeping for so looong like nobody business. If thereís no sense of the root cause, thereís no solution can be solved.
    Or let pretend that we all donít know the main cause, and problem solved..???

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