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  • The players are at fault for throw matches

    41 18.64%
  • BWF is to blame for implementing group structure

    78 35.45%
  • no one / other are to be blamed.

    8 3.64%
  • both players and BWF are to be blamed

    93 42.27%
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    The trouble with a non-round robin format for the Olympics is that it is a long way to travel to be knocked out after one game !

    Perhaps they should use same format as the Commonwealth Games, so there is an individual event and a team event, so you get to play at least twice !

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    100% Players to blame. Olympics isn't just a sports event, it's a showcase of human achievement. For the Chinese and Korean pairs to stoop so low in an event such as the Olympics only showcases their shallow sporting values. I cannot blame the format, the whole risk aversion argument is completely unrelated.

    I just cannot understand why I had to bear the same players on TV after their shameful acts.

    Lastly, the coaches, badminton association don't play on the court, and I believe they were all adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fornax View Post
    Olympics isn't just a sports event, it's a showcase of human achievement.
    Olympics are a showcase of nationality / national egotism, this is the main reason why it is hyped. As a sports event it is even not on the highest level.

    And actually Olympics is the sports event with the most discrimination. In particular leads to ridiculous things, such as changing of nationalities of several athletes.

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    Haven't read any of the previous 11 pages relating to this issue so please excuse me if these points have been raised before

    1 Whilst it may have been not in the Olympian spirit, what happened was totally in line with at least the chinese attitude, to win and put ones nation first.

    2 Players are told that the Olypics are the highlight of their career, that they are unlikely to make two games, so make the most of the chance they are given, so is it any wonder that they (and their coaches) play the system to ensure they progress onto the next rounds, Is what they did really anything different thab say the England football manager leaving out his best striker and defenders when his team have qualified so as to be able to field a stronger side next match...both are playing the system
    The main disappointment for me was that blatent way this happened, I was only an average club player but Im certain I could have thrown the games whilst still making it look as if I was trying

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    Well I hope all the "it was bwf that was wrong " people are happy. Because the format has been changed(ruined) now to redraw after group stage instead of just dealing with cheats if the situation may arise. So the new format not only does it contridict the whole point of that format it is boring to watch the same folk against each other straight after group. I would rather watch cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    Well I hope all the "it was bwf that was wrong " people are happy. Because the format has been changed(ruined) now to redraw after group stage instead of just dealing with cheats if the situation may arise. So the new format not only does it contridict the whole point of that format it is boring to watch the same folk against each other straight after group. I would rather watch cheating.
    there is a way to draw it in such a way that the same folk won't play each other straight away. i guess BWF just isn't smart enough to figure that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    there is a way to draw it in such a way that the same folk won't play each other straight away. i guess BWF just isn't smart enough to figure that out.
    Yeah true they could fix say group a and draw by lot group b to see who played who from group a but.. The whole point is you want to see the top of one group v the 2nd of the other. Then if you have a talent heavy group you end up with the best 2 in the final. The ss finals events that were redrawn same folk again was just stupid, for me it just devalues the game completely. Either go straight to a final or have it as normal and fair as before the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    Yeah true they could fix say group a and draw by lot group b to see who played who from group a but.. The whole point is you want to see the top of one group v the 2nd of the other. Then if you have a talent heavy group you end up with the best 2 in the final. The ss finals events that were redrawn same folk again was just stupid, for me it just devalues the game completely. Either go straight to a final or have it as normal and fair as before the change.
    actually, not quite true. we have implemented this draw-after-group system in a local team tournament and it works well.

    it was done precisely to make sure no team try to game the system (as it had happen before, where team scout will go around the tournament hall figuring out the standings of their potential opponents). in the end, no team dare to sandbag during the group matches and the matches ended up competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    actually, not quite true. we have implemented this draw-after-group system in a local team tournament and it works well.

    it was done precisely to make sure no team try to game the system (as it had happen before, where team scout will go around the tournament hall figuring out the standings of their potential opponents). in the end, no team dare to sandbag during the group matches and the matches ended up competitive.
    You will have to excuse me, but what are you finding "not quite true"?

    Let's use just 2 groups and top 2 go through for example (like ss finals) if there is ANY sort of redraw it means one of 3 things
    1. The same 2 players play against each other straight away after group = silly.
    2. The top ranked team from 1 group plays the top ranked team fro the other group = unfair as you have gained a lesser advantage than the folk you beat to top the group. And as I said this unfairness to me devalues the game and makes it look silly.
    3. The top from one group plays runner up from the other and vice versa = the fair and proper way and why the format was invented in the first place.

    If there is a chance of point 1 or 2 happening then for me it ruins it.
    Given if we go from group to elimanation that's all I can see unless that system you talk of does something completely different that I have misunderstood.

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    right. i was thinking about the general case where there are more than 2 groups.

    2 groups, well, it will be hard, too little combination.

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    As a football fan who is also a badminton fan, I find it just silly to discuss this issue so long and so thorough.

    Because well, it happens everytime in football

    Just look at that Olympic 2012 where Japan drew against Honduras or the Champions league where teams often field weaker teams or don't play seriously in the last day of the match. There is also the Aljazair-Germany incident at the world cup

    so I think we should accept that people will always try to win by using the means allowed by the rules, although it seems cheating to others

    that is the problem with a league or half competition format. because unlike KO formats where you must always be at your top, and the league formats, you can afford to not play your best to gain advantage at another match.

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    For the Olympics, i think BWF should have followed the UEFA Championship League format. I have two suggestions in mind.

    Country Coefficient

    BWF should have used country coefficient so that the best three countries can send for example four players/pairs each, the next best three countries can send three players/pairs each, the next best nine countries can send two players/pairs each, the rest can send one, etc...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_c...ry_coefficient

    For instance, BWF can use the performance of a country in the various Level 1 and Level 2 events in the last three or four years to determine the country coefficient.

    The Draw

    After the group stage is over, the draw should again be done similar to UEFA Championship League.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E...knockout_phase

    The mechanism of the draws for each round are as follows:

    * In the draw for the round of 16, the eight group winners are seeded, and the eight group runners-up are unseeded. The seeded teams are drawn against the unseeded teams [...]. Teams from the same group or the same association cannot be drawn against each other.
    * In the draws for the quarter-finals onwards, there are no seedings, and teams from the same group or the same association can be drawn against each other.
    For Rio, maybe it's too late for implement the above. But for the year-end World Superseries Finals 2016, they can try it out. But the World Superseries Finals needs to award the same world ranking points as the BWF world championships so as to attract the best players to come.
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