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    I kinda feel bad for the players, as they start in a no-win situation:

    1. Fight to death, face off against stronger teammate = team punishment, which will risk their own career
    2. Fake to WO = fans going to to boil them
    3. Fake to lose = get DQed, and fans going to boil them

    So, lose lose situation to begin with...

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    I might have been more sympathetic to the players had I not seen the excerpt from Yu Yangs blog the Kwun posted somewhere. She railed about avoiding injury and blamed the BWF/IOC for ruining her dream. It just shows a complete inability to take responsibility for one's own actions. As well as being BS.

    If she was worried about injury she could have just steam-rolled the Koreans who would have gladly rolled over for them. As for her big dream, she sure pissed it away easily enough. The players should be mad at their national associations who at the very least should have seen this possibility very early on and convinced the BWF to change the structure. I have a hard time believing that the BWF would be able to ignore the Chinese, Korean and INA national associations.

    Of course it's very likely these associations (at least CHN and KOR) felt they could easily manipulate such a structure and stayed silent or worse advocated for it. <=== *** speculation not opinion here ****

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    I might have been more sympathetic to the players had I not seen the excerpt from Yu Yangs blog the Kwun posted somewhere. She railed about avoiding injury and blamed the BWF/IOC for ruining her dream. It just shows a complete inability to take responsibility for one's own actions. As well as being BS.
    It's easier for us to say woulda, shoulda, coulda, because our own career is not on the line. Like I pointed out, they got stucked to begin with. What will be your solution, if you are in any one of the 8 ladies' shoes?

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    Since they have already qualified for the QF it is bizarre that they were forced to play a pointless match that could cause injuries, which athletes need to avoid to be able to continue in the tournament. Injuries are real threats and can happen in any game (yes, even in backyard badminton), not to mention in elite games like the OG. There are plenty of injury examples in these current badminton matches.

    Furthermore, national team players take their marching orders from the coaches. If a soldier is ordered by his general to commit fraud will we blame the soldier only and not his general? Hardly had to experience defeat in the past two years, I highly doubt the World Champions enjoy losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy View Post
    It's easier for us to say woulda, shoulda, coulda, because our own career is not on the line. Like I pointed out, they got stucked to begin with. What will be your solution, if you are in any one of the 8 ladies' shoes?
    First off the idea that they were instructed to throw the match is at this point pure speculation as is the idea that "their careers were on the line".

    In fact I'm finding the comments from the Chinese squad (including LD) a little bit disturbing. Either they really did take it upon themselves to throw the match, in which case they got their just deserts. Or, their coaches and team mates really are throwing them under the bus which is truly sickening.

    Either way, in their shoes I blow through the Koreans. They're number one in the world and shouldn't be afraid to play anyone. They are there to win gold not win gold and ensure silver to their team mates. Certainly once the umpire flashed the black cards and then recinds them on the promise to play for real. I honor that promise rather than risk getting booted. Not taking that threat seriously was arrogant and stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    Either way, in their shoes I blow through the Koreans. They're number one in the world and shouldn't be afraid to play anyone. They are there to win gold not win gold and ensure silver to their team mates. Certainly once the umpire flashed the black cards and then recinds them on the promise to play for real. I honor that promise rather than risk getting booted. Not taking that threat seriously was arrogant and stupid.
    For CH pair, they are not afraid to play against anyone, I am with you on this. But it's an open secret, as they do treat this more like a team honor, which means, they will try to help their teammates (or themselves, as who knows who will win the "internal match"?)

    For 2 KOR and INA, well, they are really afraid either CHN pair, especially Yu/Wang. So, they are really trying hard to avoid them ealier at any cost. This will boost their own chance to at least get to semi.

    For 1 pair, it's like (doing their friends or themselves a favor), for 3 others, it's like trying "smart" to survive as long as possible. The problem is, when all 4 are trying, there's the conflict of interests

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy View Post
    For CH pair, they are not afraid to play against anyone, I am with you on this. But it's an open secret, as they do treat this more like a team honor, which means, they will try to help their teammates (or themselves, as who knows who will win the "internal match"?)

    For 2 KOR and INA, well, they are really afraid either CHN pair, especially Yu/Wang. So, they are really trying hard to avoid them ealier at any cost. This will boost their own chance to at least get to semi.

    For 1 pair, it's like (doing their friends or themselves a favor), for 3 others, it's like trying "smart" to survive as long as possible. The problem is, when all 4 are trying, there's the conflict of interests
    I more or less agree with you but, as I said earlier. The minute I'm shown the black cards things for me would get serious. If by some stroke of luck I was able to get the officials to recind the DQs on the condition I play for real you can bet your A$$ I go all out. They were stupid to piss on a second chance they were lucky to receive in the first place. The minute those cards came out the conflict of interest you frame goes away. Your choice is now to lose your chance to play for gold or meet your team mates in the next round. Really they can't really complain. They didn't want to play their countrymen in the QF........ mission accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    I more or less agree with you but, as I said earlier. The minute I'm shown the black cards things for me would get serious. If by some stroke of luck I was able to get the officials to recind the DQs on the condition I play for real you can bet your A$$ I go all out. They were stupid to piss on a second chance they were lucky to receive in the first place. The minute those cards came out the conflict of interest you frame goes away. Your choice is now to lose your chance to play for gold or meet your team mates in the next round. Really they can't really complain. They didn't want to play their countrymen in the QF........ mission accomplished.
    I have to agree.

    The IOC/BWF started the mess, and the coaches/players play their part to get it totally out of control, and surprisly found out (and sadly) that the BWF did not back down this time. However, without any blame to themselves, BWF made the ending into an even bigger of a mess, to show the public "it's always the lil guys"...

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    Below is one of the NYT picks comments on the story that sums it up nicely:

    Michael Baltimore

    This is like throwing out a pitcher for intentionally walking a batter. These players are at the Olympics to win the gold medal -- just as the pitcher is trying to win the game -- and if according to the rules helping an opponent aids that quest, then they should not be penalized. The problem is not with their actions, but with a sport structured to reward defeat. Whoever set the badminton tournament up that way should be penalized, not these players.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/sp...agewanted=2&hp

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdileo View Post
    Interesting analogy...just curious...if the offending players were Cai/Fu, LD, Gade, or LCW would they be condemned so harshly?
    Yes they would ..... even more, because they are more popular than the 4 WD pairs.

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    In a way, i think that english people must not make some advice about this sort of things aven i'm agree with them. If you see the tour the france, Froome has been told to wait Wiggins because their team has decided thet wiggins has to wins. This was also scandalous because it was clear that froome was the stronger in the moutain.

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