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    seriously: who cares for a 3rd match in round robin?
    it should be absolutely obvious that these matches are played in a way to
    a. preserve energy
    b. have the best possible position for the following knockout-phase.
    so the asian doubles did the absolutely correct thing!
    the ultimate goal is to win gold, not to win the meaningless 3rd round...
    i'm european and hate the way china behaves concerning the whole walkover issue. but this time, i totally understand their behaviour!!
    the system is nonsense, every super series tournament is played ko-system. why change it here? i was almost puking when i first saw the round robin system (especially in singles, with groups of 3 and 2...!).

    it's really sad if YY really retires, she the best!

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    So much hate from the guy from Taiwan LOL

    If you have the opportunity to give your team an advantage, you do it, even if that means losing on purpose. After all they put themselves in this position by winning their first two matches.

    Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    I find it interesting there are people in bc who thinks what they did was right...
    I never said they should be encouraged. That's why the system should be implemented to prevent such issues. However, if the system is biased to begin with, you have every mean to take advantage of it, when within the rule.

    Go to read the article of Brithish Rider admit to crush for a restart, and given gold at the end. This kid is being treated as a national hero / smartest stratigiest in the world at the moment. Tell me that is not taking advantage of the system.

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    LYB is at fault, the BWF is at fault, and the players are at fault as well.

    everyone knows that the players are just taking orders from their head coach, who takes orders from whoever stands above him.

    YY was stuck in a Catch22 situation that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throx View Post
    So much hate from the guy from Taiwan LOL

    If you have the opportunity to give your team an advantage, you do it, even if that means losing on purpose. After all they put themselves in this position by winning their first two matches.

    Don't hate the player, hate the game.
    So you think the travesty they put on was good for the game. You can make a point about the rationality of losing on purpose. But, when you do it in such a manner you are going to draw attention to yourself and embarrass the games in such a manner. You can bet your a$$ the officials are going dust off what ever arcane rule they can find in order to deal with you.

    To make this point yet again. (some of you are real slow on the uptake) The second the officials came out and had a talk with the players and produced the black cards, it should have been ample warning that no matter what justification you want to come up with, continuing with this farce will very likely result in your disqualification.

    At that point its not about the morality of the players, it is about their arrogance and stupidity in not taking that very clear warning seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    So you think the travesty they put on was good for the game. You can make a point about the rationality of losing on purpose. But, when you do it in such a manner you are going to draw attention to yourself and embarrass the games in such a manner. You can bet your a$$ the officials are going dust off what ever arcane rule they can find in order to deal with you.

    To make this point yet again. (some of you are real slow on the uptake) The second the officials came out and had a talk with the players and produced the black cards, it should have been ample warning that no matter what justification you want to come up with, continuing with this farce will very likely result in your disqualification.

    At that point its not about the morality of the players, it is about their arrogance and stupidity in not taking that very clear warning seriously.
    On the subject of the black cards though, I believe the first two pairs were never shown the black card but it was the second two pairs that got it... Yes they should've done a better job of missing and smashing into the net but what's done is done. This faulty system was put into place in the first place instead of a single elimination system which would've been much better. But instead they wanted more matches(revenue possibily) and it came back and bit BWF in the butt....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    Well on the positive. If Canada can get a medal she can come here to Vancouver and Coach. She'll be a national hero here.
    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy View Post
    I am very honored to be the very few who still have a bit common sense.If there's no politics, why even bother with "limited entries per country, to share the common wealth in global". No, I am not talking about badminton, I am talking about all events.If I remembered correctly, OG spirit is to get the best of the best to compete, but not to invite as many nations as possible. The Greeks played the games thousands of years ago, to award the best atheltes, but not use it as a political welfare for the media coverage or "smooth some losers' feeling".
    When it started in Greece, the Olympics is about getting the best of the best to compete within Greece. Since it has become Olympics Games and gone worldwide, it means to get the best of the best from all nations to compete, within the limited participating slots available. That s why we have the IOC, international being the key word, meaning among nations. 204 nations are involved in this OG. If CHN want the best of its best to compete, they have the CHN Premiere League for Badminton. That s the place for CHN to maximise and scatter its cheat dirt. Keep it within China where the fans most appreciate and respect cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonvan View Post
    On the subject of the black cards though, I believe the first two pairs were never shown the black card but it was the second two pairs that got it... Yes they should've done a better job of missing and smashing into the net but what's done is done. This faulty system was put into place in the first place instead of a single elimination system which would've been much better. But instead they wanted more matches(revenue possibily) and it came back and bit BWF in the butt....
    sorry you are wrong, the first two pairs (CHN and KOR) got 2 warnings with the black card
    first one from the Hongkong umpire, another one from vice president of BWF europe division (Torsten Berg, which also a member of IOC)
    Last edited by Avenger; 08-03-2012 at 10:30 PM.

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    Yu Yang is my least liked CHN player. After the debacle, all the other players involved kept silent, but she started off by giving excuses (injury), and when that fell flat, blamed others.

    Perhaps Ma Jin can get her successful partnership with Wang Xiaoli back, after it was "stolen" by someone.

    I suspect she is just being petulant in this "quitting" act. I won't be surprised if she can be persuaded to come back to the fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    When it started in Greece, the Olympics is about getting the best of the best to compete within Greece. Since it has become Olympics Games and gone worldwide, it means to get the best of the best from all nations to compete, within the limited participating slots available. That s why we have the IOC, international being the key word, meaning among nations. 204 nations are involved in this OG. If CHN want the best of its best to compete, they have the CHN Premiere League for Badminton. That s the place for CHN to maximise and scatter its cheat dirt. Keep it within China where the fans most appreciate and respect cheating.
    I agree with this. In a BWF World Championship, they should just get all the best players, regardless of nationality. It is a badminton tournament after all.

    Olympics should be where a country's best comes out to compete against other countries' best.

    Olympics has its own ideals rooted in international solidarity (ideally), while World Championship should be all about badminton (ideally).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    So you think the travesty they put on was good for the game. You can make a point about the rationality of losing on purpose. But, when you do it in such a manner you are going to draw attention to yourself and embarrass the games in such a manner. You can bet your a$$ the officials are going dust off what ever arcane rule they can find in order to deal with you.

    To make this point yet again. (some of you are real slow on the uptake) The second the officials came out and had a talk with the players and produced the black cards, it should have been ample warning that no matter what justification you want to come up with, continuing with this farce will very likely result in your disqualification.

    At that point its not about the morality of the players, it is about their arrogance and stupidity in not taking that very clear warning seriously.
    The players took the command from their coaches/managers. That's the hierarchy (especially in Asia). Unless the coach gave a new order, the players would not dare change. If the officials went to warn the coaches, it may have more effect, though I doubt it, since nobody expected BWF to do anything (since they have never done anything previously).

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    Quote Originally Posted by |_Footwork_| View Post
    seriously: who cares for a 3rd match in round robin?
    it should be absolutely obvious that these matches are played in a way to
    a. preserve energy
    b. have the best possible position for the following knockout-phase.
    so the asian doubles did the absolutely correct thing!
    the ultimate goal is to win gold, not to win the meaningless 3rd round...
    i'm european and hate the way china behaves concerning the whole walkover issue. but this time, i totally understand their behaviour!!
    the system is nonsense, every super series tournament is played ko-system. why change it here? i was almost puking when i first saw the round robin system (especially in singles, with groups of 3 and 2...!).

    it's really sad if YY really retires, she the best!
    Just a slight tweak in the competition rules will do it.
    If only the top of the group (like in singles) qualifies for the knockout stage, every group match will count (most of the time).

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    well
    lyb said yuyang decide to quit after this og before the tournament starta
    so this DQ is only make it happen faster

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    Hey guys, what about this ?

    Time Draw Score Duration
    Wed 4/18/2012 7:35 PM XD - 21-0 21-0 0:09

    3. Followed by WD - 21-2 21-9 0:27

    If we look at the scoreline, did they deliberately to lose ?

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    [QUOTE=hcyong;1951219]The players took the command from their coaches/managers. That's the hierarchy (especially in Asia).

    So that doesn't change a damn thing. They took their orders, they were made aware of the dire consequences or following those orders, they decided to continue with their orders and they got DQ'd. They have no right to complain (by the way the whole 'orders' thing is speculation for now).

    Unless the coach gave a new order, the players would not dare change. If the officials went to warn the coaches, it may have more effect,
    Well... given the coaches were sitting court side I'm pretty sure they would have been aware of the warning.


    though I doubt it, since nobody expected BWF to do anything (since they have never done anything previously).
    They were effectively told on no uncertain terms that there would be repercussions. I pretty much figured they were toast when they continued with the farce after the warnings. I figured there was no way this was going to fly on such a large stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverGrande View Post
    Hey guys, what about this ?


    If we look at the scoreline, did they deliberately to lose ?
    Maybe or maybe there was an injury...... what's your point? The second example of yours just looking like a good old fashioned Asskicking.

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    This may be a glass half full situation for Yu. She now has the opportunity to play somewhere else.

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