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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post
    but hope it's not all because luck.
    Let me put it this way...
    even when you gamble, you don't ever do it blindly. You work the odds, use stats, use your mind; in short, you utilize all your available resources. Even so, things don't always go your way.

    So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Let me put it this way...
    even when you gamble, you don't ever do it blindly. You work the odds, use stats, use your mind; in short, you utilize all your available resources. Even so, things don't always go your way.

    So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?
    No, dont say that... LCW and his two lovely coaches said after the match : in the end, luck again, favours LD...
    So dont call anyone lunatic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?
    Pardon me sir cobalt, but would you dare to call Seri Najib Tun Razak a lunatic for such a suggestion? He has even suggested that LCW should carry on fighting till Rio 2016 where "luck may be on his side", even when LCW himself has contemplated on retiring depending on the Asian Games 2014 outcome.

    Talk about mental pressure. Now things are just starting to get serious


    Chong Wei receives RM500,000 for Olympic silver win

    Monday August 13, 2012

    PUTRAJAYA: National shuttler Lee Chong Wei received RM500,000 yesterday for his silver medal win in the London Olympics.

    The reward was presented by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak in a ceremony at Seri Perdana, which was also attended by his wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor.

    The reward comprised RM300,000 from the National Sports Council’s Incentive Scheme and RM200,000 from the Malaysian government in the form of Amanah Saham Wawasan.

    Apart from that, Chong Wei also received a watch from Rosmah, who is also the Badminton Association of Malaysia’s (BAM) patron.

    Silver well earned: Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak and wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor taking a look at Lee Chong Wei’s Olympic silver medal. — Bernama

    In a short speech, the Prime Minister congratulated Chong Wei on his success and was confident it would strengthen his resolve to achieve further success in the 2016 Olympics.

    “Maybe LUCK wasn’t on his side to win the gold but he fought right to the end. It showed how serious he was and I hope he will go on to achieve even bigger success,” he said
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    Najib also agreed with a proposal to set up a National Badminton Academy at the Juara Stadium Badminton Training Centre in Bukit Kiara.


    Chong Wei, 30, said he would consider the wishes of the Prime Minister to deliver the country’s first gold medal at the Rio de Janeiro Olympics.

    “I’m grateful to the Prime Minister and his wife for the reward, I will be saving the money. Even though I didn’t bring back a gold medal, the government still supports me. I have tried my best,” he said.

    “I will look at my performance over the next two years and at the Asian Games in Incheon, South Korea, and Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, both in 2014. If my fitness permits, I will continue till the 2016 Olympics,” he said. – Bernama

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?
    i get your post of course. what i mean with that one post of mine which you quoted was that i hope it's not the luck who 'controlled' the whole story, and i would happier if it's not only luck who ended the match. just it, nothing personal.
    peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzzards View Post
    He has even suggested that LCW should carry on fighting till Rio 2016 where "luck may be on his side", even when LCW himself has contemplated on retiring depending on the Asian Games 2014 outcome.
    is it just me or LCW and LD has starting became some kind of medals hunter machines for both BAM and CBA? looks like their reason to fighting for medals now is a little more for their associations (and also nations) than their personal desire. but hope i'm wrong on this.
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    Theres no such thing as luck.

    "you make your own luck"
    "fortune favours the great"
    "diligence is the mother of luck"

    'luck' is just probability of things going your way. you can change these probabilities. saying LD has more luck is just saying LD is better. LCW supporters make it sound like LD supporters are saying LCW is rubbish.no. LCW is great. its just that LD is great +1.

    attributing LCW losses to anything other than LD was better on the day is just rubbish.

    its like saying i am a better player than LCW even though he'd beat me 10000000 - 0, but its because hes got better coaches than me. and fans. and he'd beat me cos he has luck..... but im the better palyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post
    except one? just one? which one is that lucky one? because i think there are already at least 3, AG 2010, WC 2011, and OG 2012. but i may wrong of course.
    Great, that s good you pointed out LD defeated LCW 3 times out of 21 without assists or 18 times out of 21 with assists. That means LD has improved. My apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Great, that s good you pointed out LD defeated LCW 3 times out of 21 without assists or 18 times out of 21 with assists. That means LD has improved. My apologies.
    wait, LD still improved. i forget he also won over LCW in TC 2010, 2011 HK open and 2011 CHN open. ah, not that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    lee chong wei might need to refound his 12-20 down to lindan in malaysia open 2006 final and chase back and win spirit
    The miracle that never happened again in 6 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    hmm,only 8 out of 21 lin dan victory is outside china.while lcw won 7 out of 9 outside malaysia.
    Lin Dan win 9 times against LCW outside "China and the region (HK, Macau, Taiwan)", not only 8. Also, Lin Dan vs LCW in Malaysia = 2 - 2, means 50% - 50%. If LCW can make it 50% - 50% in "China and the region", so their H2H should be 15 - 15, right ? And after so many helps by BWF to LCW during 2011 World Championships, from QF to Final, LCW should win over Lin Dan, so their H2H should be 16 - 14 in favor for LCW. LCW has 7 - 8 hours extra rest compare to Cordon, CJ and Lin Dan . 2011 World Championships final proves that LCW was very weak compare to Lin Dan hahaha . No TXH, no LYB, less time for rest, but still Lin Dan become the champion hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    For Asia players : AE, WC,AG,OG are the 4 major titles.For European players : AE, WC, OG are the 3 major titles.The non Asians will and have argued that AG is not major title cos it does not include players from whole world.
    Which Asia players ? Surely most of it not from China and Korea, bcoz for many of them, All England only a small title, no wonder Swedish Open / Germany open that held one week before AE was dominated by the players from both countries. You can check the winner of both tourneys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staiger1 View Post
    AE is not up there with the WC and the Olympic son, and that's a fact. Yes , is one of the top super-series premier event but is in a different class to the WC and the Olympic.........
    Quote Originally Posted by V1lau View Post
    That is not a fact, just your opinion. Anyways why would you care what "non-badminton fans" knew or didn't know about badminton?
    That's right ! AE is not in the same class with OG and WC. AE is in the same class with the other SSP. And that's the fact.http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=15370
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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    haha,at least there is 2 out of ur 'everybody' are not agree with u.wc/og got restriction of country player while ae dont,and it already had more than hundred year,had been treated as world championship for about 70 years?
    China suffers the most from the restrictions in OG / WC, while AE don't, but for China, AE is only mickey mouse title. WYH win AE, WSX even can't win a single match in AE, but WSX = pre-A player, WYH only as B class player . The winner of OG / WC automatically graded as A class player

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    It s good you enjoy my comments even when they re not what you expect. But mine will differ from yours because I watched those tournaments courtside so I could observe what s not on TV whilst you see what the TV editors decide for you. And the H2H of 21 to 9 for LD to LCW is a superficial fact. That s what TV commentators are only capable of. There are many ways to analyse numbers. When you go deeper, the picture is revealing. Eg. Limsy unearthed the fact that 8 out of LD s 21 wins were outside China ( meaning most of LD s advantage over LCW is because of CHN crowd) whereas 7 out of LCW s 9 wins were outside Malaysia ( meaning dominant MAS crowd is not key to LCW s success.) And if you were to analyse each tournament win further, the picture will emerge that LD s wins over LCW were with teammate assists except one.
    Lin Dan vs LCW : in Malaysia = 2 - 2, in neutral ground = 7 - 7, in China and the region (HK, Macau, Taiwan) = 12 - 0 . Actually, Lin Dan and team mates doesn't have home ground advantages in HK, Macau and Taiwan (HMT), bcoz they have their own Badminton Association and players, chasing for their own glory. So what is the advantage for China players ? For me personally, HMT = neutral ground for CHN players.
    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    And if you were to break down each match, you will find some pattern which CHN coaches know ( but of course Rashid wouldn t have a clue because he s not capable of deep thought.) That s why we have different views. You re not wrong because you see what s on the surface, I m not wrong because I do deep data research. Those analysis indicate LCW is superior to LD as a player but LD wins because his coaches do very detailed homework and help him strategise all the way, especially the finish. Whereas LCW s coaches don t even know the importance of closing out a match, so LCW has to figure out the finishing during play. But if LCW has MFrost for major tournament coach, it will be scary for CHN. But that won t happen because BAM would rather lose than let MF have the opportunity to claim credit for LCW s victory. So, enjoy and be happy.
    Lin Dan coach from 2004 : LYB, Zhong Bo, TXH, Li Zhifeng, XXZ. LCW coach from 2004 or 2005 : Li Mao, Misbun, Rashid, TSB. Result : except 2007, LCW can only win once per year against Lin Dan LOL . Blame LCW, and not his coach
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Great, that s good you pointed out LD defeated LCW 3 times out of 21 without assists or 18 times out of 21 with assists. That means LD has improved. My apologies.
    2005 : Hong Kong. 2006 : AE, Macau, HK. 2009 : Sudirman Cup. 2010 : Thomas Cup. 2011 : Korea SSP & World Championships. 2012 : AE & Olympics.
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    it seemed like both players were playing a bit conservatively and with much more caution. it wasn't half way until i realized that LCW recovered from an injury because it seemed like he's moving faster than before.

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    LCW was jumping all around the court during the match against CL and LD, others I did not watch, so I dont know... He was jumping to the back of the court all the time, either to smash, drop or lob... It really didnt look like he was injured at all.. Anyway, great play by LCW, manage to recover from injury so fast and play with his best form ever! Thanks LD and LCW for providing us with a superb badminton match. LD promise us an interesting match, he delivered! Bravo!!

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