Kudos to the Korean

**eaglehelang** · 08-17-2012, 02:54 AM

That means the Korean WD are banned from representing Korea for 2 years.It does not mean they cant represent other countries, as the ban is by KBA not BWF like Cheung says.

Tan Chun Seang is banned from tournaments in Asia for 2 years when he went independent. He still can reprsent Malaysia. Its a compromise from the earlier total ban Ganga Rao wanted to impose. Its a prob for player as the country's BA must endorse the participation. If the association refuse to endorse, the player in deep trouble

**Justin L** · 08-17-2012, 01:40 PM

I wonder how many in the audience at the Wembley Arena watching the farce actually asked themselves:" Hey,these are Olympians who dream of winning an Olympic medal,why are they doing this, playing to lose? Something wrong with the system or format, exploiting a loophole for an advantage? Losing a match in order to win a tournament? "

The great majority just went there to be entertained, not to have to think; obviously and rightly as paying customers, they and the TV audience demanded their due for their time and money spent. So a message had to be sent and the spectators had to be appeased and out went the culpable players who were disqualified. Nothing to do with anybody else, the coaches,BWF,etc. End of story at the Olympics.

Whether there should be a probe, an investigative analysis and reflection of the whys and wherefores, followed by remedial action and a solution to prevent future occurrence - not a word uttered by those in charge. And now BKA suddenly comes out with this - more severe punishment for the already punished offenders to see who dares to do it in future. Isn't it excessive, not quite right?

It's like "Littering ,fine $500 !", and then somebody in authority says "Nope,not enough,penalise the litter bug again with $5000 to serve as a severe warning to the rest" (How easy for him to do). It never occurs to him to think of, besides the fine, how about public education, providing more litter bins at convenient locations, and suchlike.

Perhaps,as someone insinuated,Dr Kang as a Korean and President of BWF is in an awkward and embarrassing position and has to be seen to do something more drastic. Well,let's see how it goes. Interesting times for Koreran badminton ahead and for the badminton world at large.

**RedShuttle** · 08-17-2012, 06:28 PM

Please be reminded that these players went to the Olympics to win the gold medal, not to win every match, every game or every point. They would have proven that they are the best when they have the gold medal hanging on their necks. Even with a deliberate loss, they are still true to their mission.

Surely, those ugly matches were detrimental to the sport and all involved players should be and had been punished. That should be the end of it. I can't help but feel that BWF wanted to use the opportunity to send a message to LYB. If that's the case, I don't disagree with it either. But the attack on the players must stop. They were just doing their job and they paid for their poor performance (literally and figuratively) already.

In contrast, the British cyclists and rowers exhibited even less sportsmanship than these players but they were hailed as heroes. Where is the justice?

After watching the first one of the infamous matches, in hindsight, I would disqaulify all four players on the spot for their poor act in the first game. I would also consider giving YY a three months suspension because she was the only one out of the four players playing to lose with total disregard in the second game. With that, the fiasco of the second match would not occur.

All considered, if they played like they did (except for YY) in the second game from the start, I would give them just a suspended disqualification. We all know what it was. That's just how the system works. Athletes in other sports regularly do the same.

It is so sad to see that KBA acted so mindlessly on the poor girls while BWF does not seem to do anything to capitalize on the chance to deal with LYB.

**thunder.tw** · 08-18-2012, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by RedShuttle

Please be reminded that these players went to the Olympics to win the gold medal, not to win every match, every game or every point. They would have proven that they are the best when they have the gold medal hanging on their necks. Even with a deliberate loss, they are still true to their mission.

I keep seeing this bull$hit being written over and over again. Folks!! THEY BROKE THE RULES ie THEY CHEATED. There is no justification for doing so. You could write the same crap about any other type of cheating. Hell, with your mind set why don't we just allow doping and other performance enhancing drugs? After all, they are widely available to any athlete who wants them. If it is only about winning a gold and all other considerations be damned, then why not. Let those who are willing to put their health on the line to win gold be rewarded over those pansies who are too afraid to risk it.

Also, you whole point is destroyed by the very fact that these women chose to follow their coaches orders in the face of being warned that doing so would result in a DQ shows they weren't committed to winning gold. They clearly put the wishes of the coaches over their desire to win gold. So again the argument that these women went to the Olympics to win gold falls flat. They clearly went to the Olympics to follow orders.

**tbgoh288** · 08-18-2012, 01:56 AM

[QUOTE=RedShuttle;1959709]Please be reminded that these players went to the Olympics to win the gold medal, not to win every match, every game or every point. They would have proven that they are the best when they have the gold medal hanging on their necks. Even with a deliberate loss, they are still true to their mission. Surely, those ugly matches were detrimental to the sport and all involved players should be and had been punished. That should be the end of it. I can't help but feel that BWF wanted to use the opportunity to send a message to LYB. If that's the case, I don't disagree with it either. But the attack on the players must stop. They were just doing their job and they paid for their poor performance (literally and figuratively) already.In contrast, the British cyclists and rowers exhibited even less sportsmanship than these players but they were hailed as heroes. Where is the justice?

I agree with your views. In addition I am of the opinion that WBF should be punished too. It is not unknown to WBF that group matches can be manipulated to suit the needs of each player or team. I remember teams playing to loose in group matches in order not to face a perceived strong opponent in the QF when they were already assured their berths in the QF in previous versions of TC/UC/SC. That's why WBF came out with the draw to match up the teams for the QF in the more recent TC/UC/SC. How come WBF didn't do the same thing for the LOG? It can be easily done even if we need to separate teams from the same country until the finals. A better format is to have 8 groups of 3 pairs with only the group winner going through. The number of matches involved will still be 24 like the LOG format. More country will be able to participate and to ensure that badminton will be played at the highest level the top 8 pairs of the world should automatically qualify to head the 8 groups. More country can participate and the game will be played at the highest level as well. Otherwise it may become easier to medal at the Olympics than in the SS.I suggest that IOC impose a fine of US 10 million on WBF for the blunder if it still wants to be in the Olympics.

**jasonmarc** · 08-19-2012, 05:20 AM

Great move by the Korean, now lets see what China and Indonesia will do next ....?

Quite pity Kim Moon Soo.....he was there to complaint to the umpire of the match about the way YY/WXL played, but too bad his players followed the Chn player with the wrong doing !!

**george@chongwei** · 08-20-2012, 12:40 AM

Pity Kim Min Jung/Ha Jung Eun and Kim Ha Na/Jung KyUNG Eun

... i hope their appeal is succesful... imo, this decision is very very harsh to them... what will happen to their career after this??

**AlanY** · 08-20-2012, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

Pity Kim Min Jung/Ha Jung Eun and Kim Ha Na/Jung KyUNG Eun

... i hope their appeal is succesful... imo, this decision is very very harsh to them... what will happen to their career after this??

appeal on what ground? They are punished for not doing their job that they were paying for. they been told to throw the matches and ended up as winners, TWICE.

As for the coaches they were sacked again for not doing their job. they were paid to win medals!

**ants** · 08-20-2012, 03:35 AM

You Throw Matches and you end up "winning". There is a strong point for argument. I believe the Korean
players will "escape" the harsh punishment. Or reduced the sentence to a shorter period.

**Staiger1** · 08-20-2012, 06:08 AM

2 years is a long time, maybe 4-6 months would be more appropiate . They can take a break, reflect , train hard and come back stronger for the Korean Open next year

**HiddenPower** · 08-20-2012, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by RedShuttle

Please be reminded that these players went to the Olympics to win the gold medal, not to win every match, every game or every point. They would have proven that they are the best when they have the gold medal hanging on their necks. Even with a deliberate loss, they are still true to their mission.

Well said.

Originally Posted by thunder.tw

I keep seeing this bull$hit being written over and over again. Folks!! THEY BROKE THE RULES ie THEY CHEATED. There is no justification for doing so. You could write the same crap about any other type of cheating.

As we are living in a diverse world, you can keep your opinion and we can keep ours. Not everything is simply black & white/ good & evil.

**Mark A** · 08-20-2012, 09:44 AM

2 years is a bit harsh for the players; if they'd disobeyed the coaches they'd have come off pretty badly. Coaches sacked? Yes, but the best result would be the abandonment of that idiotic group system.

**OneToughBirdie** · 08-20-2012, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

Great move by the Korean, now lets see what China and Indonesia will do next ....?

Do nothing, lie low and let this matter settles and fades away. LYB will be back, business as normal, in the meanwhile, relax with winning 5 gold and 9 medals and counting those bonuses. Next OLY is light years away, by then becomes forgotten memory.

**MightyJoe** · 08-20-2012, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

Do nothing, lie low and let this matter settles and fades away. LYB will be back, business as normal, in the meanwhile, relax with winning 5 gold and 9 medals and counting those bonuses. Next OLY is light years away, by then becomes forgotten memory.

Agreed, China will enjoy what they have done for this and coming month. Once China Masters commences, it's business as usual and the Olympic pressure will start creeping into most of the Chinese players once again.

**OneToughBirdie** · 08-20-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by MightyJoe

Agreed, China will enjoy what they have done for this and coming month. Once China Masters commences, it's business as usual and the Olympic pressure will start creeping into most of the Chinese players once again.

OLY is long way away...by then they may not be a player like LCW around to panic the CHN. CL is expected to beat or gave huge trouble to an 'injured' LCW but LCW easily slapped him silly. Even LD was apprehensive facing LCW who played his best game in a major event even though still lost but very close. INA, DEN, KOR nothing coming up now to match LCW calibre. If you talk about OLY pressure to the CHN players, then the pressure is among them to see who makes the team or out, especially the ladies WS side, ultra competitive.

**thunder.tw** · 08-21-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by HiddenPower

As we are living in a diverse world, you can keep your opinion and we can keep ours. Not everything is simply black & white/ good & evil.

Yes it's a diverse world. However we aren't talking about opinion. We are talking about fact. The BWF's code of conduct is clear on this matter. And even if you want to try to make so case that there is room for interpretation, these ladies were paid a visit on court by the officials who made it very clear to them that if continued with the farce that they would face disqualification. There is nothing nebulous about being shown a black card.

After that point, all your and RedShuttle's BS about them being there to win the gold medal goes out the window. They are being told then and there and in no uncertain terms that if they continue with this farce they will be giving up their pursuit of the gold medal. So it's pretty hard to see how anyone serious about winning a gold medal would behave as they did in the face of the ample warnings the got from the officials.

**LazyBuddy** · 08-21-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by thunder.tw

I keep seeing this bull$hit being written over and over again. Folks!! THEY BROKE THE RULES ie THEY CHEATED.

I am amazed that after these many days, you still have the emotion to debate on this one.

Should their actions be encouraged? No. Did they cheat? HELL NO. Where in the rule say that you can not lose a point or a match? Please put all your "spirit" "moral" crap away as well. It's easy to sit in your AC room be an internet tough guy, but these coaches and players have a job to do. If they have to step on the gray area, they will.

Overall, the system should be the 1st one to be blamed. A well setup system, should prevent such obvious chaos to begin with, especially after the coaches warned about the situation. BWF refused to put into study into it and fix it when warned, well, you know