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    Hi Maklike:

    You mean even MX 80 cannot be compare to Z force ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrerkiko View Post
    Hi Maklike:

    You mean even MX 80 cannot be compare to Z force ?
    Not even close so why you are dishing out advice everywhere to get MX80 as Z-Force replacement ...??

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    I think maybe if you got a heavy SW35 it might feel vaguely like a ZF, but really, Yonex' head heavy banger rackets really don't have any comparable Victor you can put them next to. The MX80 is nothing like anything in the Yonex range either.

    LiNing is the only company that 'cloned' the current Yonex rackets at the time, because they had a slew of Yonex sponsored Chinese players that they poached. Everyone else tries to be different or unique, because distancing yourself from existing brands is how you create loyal customers.

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    there are various factor determining how heavy a head heavy racket feels.

    Yonex seems to be going the route of extreme balance point (310+mm) together with a low 3U total weight. rackets like ZF, VT70, VT80 are all in this category.

    while other manufacturer are more conservative on their balance point (295->300mm) but they have a higher mass. K8000 falls into this category along with SW36, MX70.

    both style of design ends up with a similar swingweight. the former/Yonex design requires more extreme material distribution, thin shaft, extra weight on the top end, while the latter/Victor design requires more conservative design, even weight distribution on head and shaft.

    as for which one is better, it is up to your personal preference. but as far as swing weight is concerned, they are mostly comparable.

    just to say a word about the MX80, the MX80 is at most considered as a medium swing weight and by no mean near the top in terms of swingweight when it comes to Victor rackets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    just to say a word about the MX80, the MX80 is at most considered as a medium swing weight and by no mean near the top in terms of swingweight when it comes to Victor rackets.
    the head heaviest Victor rackets are actually something more surprising:

    BS LYD (1st gen)
    MX70
    Meteor London

    i am sure there are some Super Waves too but i don't have access to any 3U ones to measure with. all the ones i got my hands on are 4U so they aren't very heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    there are various factor determining how heavy a head heavy racket feels.

    Yonex seems to be going the route of extreme balance point (310+mm) together with a low 3U total weight. rackets like ZF, VT70, VT80 are all in this category.

    while other manufacturer are more conservative on their balance point (295->300mm) but they have a higher mass. K8000 falls into this category along with SW36, MX70.

    both style of design ends up with a similar swingweight. the former/Yonex design requires more extreme material distribution, thin shaft, extra weight on the top end, while the latter/Victor design requires more conservative design, even weight distribution on head and shaft.

    as for which one is better, it is up to your personal preference. but as far as swing weight is concerned, they are mostly comparable.

    just to say a word about the MX80, the MX80 is at most considered as a medium swing weight and by no mean near the top in terms of swingweight when it comes to Victor rackets.
    That explain a lot. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    the head heaviest Victor rackets are actually something more surprising:

    BS LYD (1st gen)
    MX70
    Meteor London

    i am sure there are some Super Waves too but i don't have access to any 3U ones to measure with. all the ones i got my hands on are 4U so they aren't very heavy.
    Are you talking actual BP/Swingweight, or how they feel on the court?

    I've had pretty much every model (except the LYD/JJS/BS15) and so far for me, the head-heaviest one has been the SW310. The mid flex and 303mm BP makes it feel like a Yonex. I've had two SW35's and they were both over 300, but because they were super-stiff and weren't particularly quick, they didn't feel like it. The only other one I've had with that 'weight at the 12o'clock' feel is the old spec BS11. Still, for me, one of the best rackets to suit my style.

    Kwun, the MX60 on court feels more head heavy than the MX70/London. I've had multiple examples of all the Meteors and they're all 300mm. The 60 because it's the least stiff has more of that 'pendulum' feel than any of the others.

    Damn, I'm really curious to try the LYD now!

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    hi Kwun: What u say are right, i totally agree with u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    Are you talking actual BP/Swingweight, or how they feel on the court?
    measured swingweight.

    i find that swingweight is very hard to go by feel. factors like string, grip size, and good/bad day very much confuses the "feel" and somedays i find some rackets ok but some days i find them too heavy.

    a machine is much more accurate and consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    Are you talking actual BP/Swingweight, or how they feel on the court?

    I've had pretty much every model (except the LYD/JJS/BS15) and so far for me, the head-heaviest one has been the SW310. The mid flex and 303mm BP makes it feel like a Yonex. I've had two SW35's and they were both over 300, but because they were super-stiff and weren't particularly quick, they didn't feel like it. The only other one I've had with that 'weight at the 12o'clock' feel is the old spec BS11. Still, for me, one of the best rackets to suit my style.

    Kwun, the MX60 on court feels more head heavy than the MX70/London. I've had multiple examples of all the Meteors and they're all 300mm. The 60 because it's the least stiff has more of that 'pendulum' feel than any of the others.

    Damn, I'm really curious to try the LYD now!
    it can also have something to do with manufacturing variation. specs are deliberately vague to account for this. afterall, 3U / 4U etc are a huge range and a few grams and a few mm difference can make a lot of differences to the swing weight. so it maybe possible that the copy of 3U MX60 i got are lighter than yours.

    but for the MX70. all the ones that i have tested and weighed (around 5 of them) are all in the upper 80grams range. my own MX70 is around 89grams.

    i was told that there are 2 flavors of Londons. the ones that comes with the fancy plastic case and the ones that are sold in regular cases. and they have different specs.

    anyway, i think we are very much off topic here.

    so far i can only say that the K8000 is of a head heavy design. i guess that means it is good for attack, and esp with the extra omph given to it with full graphene, it should be a very interesting racket indeed.

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    Hi Kwun: When this new racket be updated in Victor webpage ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i was told that there are 2 flavors of Londons. the ones that comes with the fancy plastic case and the ones that are sold in regular cases. and they have different specs.

    anyway, i think we are very much off topic here.

    so far i can only say that the K8000 is of a head heavy design. i guess that means it is good for attack, and esp with the extra omph given to it with full graphene, it should be a very interesting racket indeed.
    I have both versions of the MX-LONDONs, their difference is in their serial number. they play slightly differently. The LD or truely limited editions (in cases) are somehow built more "solid" in feel while the regular serials are I feel the beefed up versions of MX-70.

    But back to topic, I cant wait to try one of the K8Ks rackets seeing they might be stiffer in construction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    the head heaviest Victor rackets are actually something more surprising:

    BS LYD (1st gen)
    MX70
    Meteor London

    i am sure there are some Super Waves too but i don't have access to any 3U ones to measure with. all the ones i got my hands on are 4U so they aren't very heavy.
    i thought the head heaviest racket is [2U]LEGEND?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycril View Post
    i thought the head heaviest racket is [2U]LEGEND?
    well, the ones that i have the chance to measure. i am not sure if the Legend is still in production but they are surely very hard to find in the market and rare for anyone to have them in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrerkiko View Post
    Hi Kwun: When this new racket be updated in Victor webpage ?
    probably 2013?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    well, the ones that i have the chance to measure. i am not sure if the Legend is still in production but they are surely very hard to find in the market and rare for anyone to have them in stock.
    it is already extinct?

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    probably 2013?
    Unless they want to grab the christmas market.

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