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    how about core? especially the spring power from hips to shoulder for smashing

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    deadlifts. start doing em.

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    you can strengthen your core muscles, but if you don't know how to use them effectively to transfer power into your shot (ie. via the kinetic chain from proximal to distal into the fingers), then it's of no use

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    nah. can't go wrong with a stronger core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borbor View Post
    nah. can't go wrong with a stronger core.
    Have to disagree with you. Proper technique is crucial to transfer power.
    Without it stronger core will have minimal impact.

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    yup, you go ahead and do what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borbor View Post
    nah. can't go wrong with a stronger core.
    Quote Originally Posted by rogerv2 View Post
    Have to disagree with you. Proper technique is crucial to transfer power.
    Without it stronger core will have minimal impact.
    a strong core will help agility/balance/recovery etc, but without technique, will not help power as rogerv2 agrees

    a weak core, with excellent technique, will still get some power

    and obviously a strong core with excellent technique will ultimately get the most power

    (and borbor, i'm aware you're an avid golfer, so you may have over estimated the general knowledge of core use in badminton sport, as i'm pretty sure not too many are aware of it; hence learning the proper use of technique of using the core muscles in the kinetic chain is more important than strenthening the muscles itself, which can be done after proper technique is achieved)
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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    you can strengthen your core muscles, but if you don't know how to use them effectively to transfer power into your shot (ie. via the kinetic chain from proximal to distal into the fingers), then it's of no use
    nice one.. what training do you do to improve the kinetic chain? from my understanding the kinetic chain in static is rotate hips>>shoulder>>elbow>>wrist >>fingers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98745 View Post
    nice one.. what training do you do to improve the kinetic chain? from my understanding the kinetic chain in static is rotate hips>>shoulder>>elbow>>wrist >>fingers
    Try golfing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latecomer View Post
    Try golfing.
    don't need to; that's another rabbit hole he doesn't need to go into

    i think 98745 is overthinking it. Want to train ur kinetic chain for smash & clear? Throw an "American" football with a spiral to your designated target (ceiling for clears, downfield for smashes). It's THAT simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98745 View Post
    nice one.. what training do you do to improve the kinetic chain? from my understanding the kinetic chain in static is rotate hips>>shoulder>>elbow>>wrist >>fingers
    Here's the original article that analyzed this process. Just skip to the discussion.

    https://ojs.ub.uni-konstanz.de/cpa/a...File/2233/2089


    In your sequence, you missed out core muscles , as in:
    side on>rotate hip>rotate trunk with core>shoulder>elbow>wrist>fingers


    Here's also an excellent description by Gollum, the author of badminton bible.com:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...288#post383288


    You need to get this sequence right first before you spend time working on those core muscles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borbor View Post
    don't need to; that's another rabbit hole he doesn't need to go into

    i think 98745 is overthinking it. Want to train ur kinetic chain for smash & clear? Throw an "American" football with a spiral to your designated target (ceiling for clears, downfield for smashes). It's THAT simple.
    sounds legit thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Here's the original article that analyzed this process. Just skip to the discussion.

    https://ojs.ub.uni-konstanz.de/cpa/a...File/2233/2089


    In your sequence, you missed out core muscles , as in:
    side on>rotate hip>rotate trunk with core>shoulder>elbow>wrist>fingers


    Here's also an excellent description by Gollum, the author of badminton bible.com:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...288#post383288


    You need to get this sequence right first before you spend time working on those core muscles.
    enlightened!

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    Get a "Schmidt Sports Physio Tape" and to shadow strokes with it, and you can do shadow strokes with a bottle of wine/water in your hand (but for this you need perfect technique or you will injury yourself.)
    You can also use the bottle for building up wrist and arm strength by flicking the wrist at stretch arm with bottle in the hand. But most important thing for a powerful stroke is timing you need to use every muscle from toe to the finger at the right timing.

    Fu Hei Feng teaches how to smash.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2j0hIs-pc
    Last edited by greblu; 11-08-2012 at 03:02 AM.

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    Skipping (explosive movement to get under shuttle, jump power to elevate off the ground)

    Trunk twist (core power transfer from start of smash position)
    http://eximg.twm.ms/Female_Exercise-Band-Trunk-Rotation_3.jpg

    Internal shoulder rotation (smash power)
    https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTN-fDuM4Y2g_8lH5hcnzbljq6aSlUtVTUDy32jDK7WE_a5BkQaPg

    Wrist twist (whip acceleration and power transfer)
    http://www.leeapperson.com/1newpics/1wrist/rotatedumbbell.jpg
    (dont use so many weights like the pic)

    In my opinion: go for low-low/medium weight at high repetitions. all other exercises help with general strength but do not contribute greatly if at all to smash power. e.g. i wouldnt spend any time on biceps, pullups, deadlifts etc except for general fitness.

    borbor - woodchopping is excellent
    xtc - powerball is excellent
    98745 - correct technique and footwork is excellent (look at womens internationals, they're not beefed up yet smash better than most men (non internationals))

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98745 View Post
    nice one.. what training do you do to improve the kinetic chain? from my understanding the kinetic chain in static is rotate hips>>shoulder>>elbow>>wrist >>fingers
    For smash, one of the most important part is the supination of the wrist. Once you get this right, your smash power will really improve. Next you can work on the actual swing power and getting your body twist motion into it. This worked for me, maybe it will work for you also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggedCat View Post
    98745 - correct technique and footwork is excellent (look at womens internationals, they're not beefed up yet smash better than most men (non internationals))
    yep... even our local provincials ladies players can hit harder than us who are not properly trained, myself included ... With proper technique, you can make the best and most of whatever little core muscle you have

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    Each and every one of us is built differently, some have fast feet, some have fast hands, some have powerful arms, some have strong core muscle, some have strong wrists and all our brians work differently. Some can hit the bird far and fast using wrist and arm with little help from the body. If you are not blessed with these natural gifts, then you need to borrow power from all your body parts. If your wrist doesn't give you enough power, borrow power from your arm, then shoulder turn, then hip turn, then your feet(push off from the ground). Don't forget having a relax grip.

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