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    Some very good points have been made on this board regarding this partnership. After watching the indian ss final then watching some olympic LYD/JJS matches the difference is LYD is amazing. He seems so tame compared to his old self. But i dont blame Ko, i think he hasnt got over his split from JJS and hes having trouble changing. Dont get me wrong hes an awesome player and he will get back to his best but i think mentally he just doesnt think its with Ko. I think he should try a few tournements with shin and let Ko concentrate on the mixed for now and even reform with yoo. Only my thoughts

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    About consistency.. Hmm. I sort of agree with the earlier post, but that wasn't the type of consistency I was referring to. and I actually thought Fu's defense was weak til the end haha. At e professional level, it's difficult to make huge improvements to one's skill level, it tends to plateau after awhile. I was referring to the type of consistency that is constant in 'most' matches and that doesn't crumble when it'd attacked by opponents. Ko IMHO is not at that level of consistency and from the same style he's been playing the past few years.. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen..


    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyMadness View Post
    Some very good points have been made on this board regarding this partnership. After watching the indian ss final then watching some olympic LYD/JJS matches the difference is LYD is amazing. He seems so tame compared to his old self. But i dont blame Ko, i think he hasnt got over his split from JJS and hes having trouble changing. Dont get me wrong hes an awesome player and he will get back to his best but i think mentally he just doesnt think its with Ko. I think he should try a few tournements with shin and let Ko concentrate on the mixed for now and even reform with yoo. Only my thoughts

    This. I also find Lee very tame compared to his old self. He seems un-enthused, sometimes he looks like he rather be somewhere else.. And he's starting to make plenty of unforced errors himself. And Especially the bolded statement is the feeling I get from him..All the time. :/ I think he thinks Ko is not the partner for him to go very far with(which I sort of agree with), but does he really have to make it so obvious (to me at least)..he always looks tensed and sometimes so irritated, playing with Ko. I don't know but I think things like that do affect a partnership...

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    About the improvement of players, this is a very interesting topic, perhaps outside this thread. Sometimes it is difficult to see the changes in a players's skill, as it change slowly. But it does happen. For example, LCW's smashes (or more generaly, his attacking capabilities) have improved strongly since 2009. He get now the sort of angle and speed LD only had. For LD, he said in some interviews that before 2006, his net play was not so good, and that is why Hidayat did beat him. On the psychological level, one can notice how Zhang Ning improved after she got 26.
    One very useful example is Ahmad who, when starting to play with Liliana, was confused half of the time. But look where he got now!
    Every case is of course different, we can't tell for Ko, but the lack of spirit from LYD that you mention in your post seems a bigger obstacle to me. We would have to know the whole dynamic of the Korean team to understand what is happening between them.
    Actually, I don't know if the Korean team does like the CHN team and live all togheter in the same complex, even sharing rooms. All sort of things happen then! In the CHN team, they all get romantically involved with one another at some point!

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    Hey yes! It's certainly an interesting topic. And you are right about the improvements of the players mentioned. But then again, hmm, I would also think it could be something that is really up to the individual. Those players that you mentioned - I've actually seen improvements in all of them! LCW's smash that you mentioned.. Lin Dan.. Wow that guy has improved so much over the years! Haha. I of course can't rule out an improvement for Ko, but just judging from his years in the pro circuit I just don't see it ie his service - it hasn't been working for him but he's still not changing it (serving quickly without looking up).

    But a lot of things about the Koreans/Korean team would require an understanding of the culture at large. Of course that's another discussion altogether one thing about them is they aren't known to be very.. 'Creative' for lack of a better word. Which is probably why u will keep seeing their players use the same strategies over and over although it isn't working for them..

    as for question about their living arrangements. Yes, they do live in a national sports center called 태릉선수촌 or Taereung sports village, north east of Seoul. The men and women are rather segregated though, the males live in one building and the women in another. This is another thing about their culture where the men and women sometimes are quite separated, you'll observe this when the korean players go and have meals, the men and women seldom seat at the same table. From what I did know, Ko used to share a room with Yoo in their previous partnership. I'm not sure if married players like Jung jae sung and lee hyun il lived there though, cause lee yong dae seemed like he didn't have a room mate.. The only badminton players who were romantically involved were ra kyung Min and Kim dong moon. There doesn't seem to be any after them the players usually seem to marry/date people outside of the industry haha.

    Sorry about the long post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilmizsara View Post
    Hey yes! It's certainly an interesting topic. And you are right about the improvements of the players mentioned. But then again, hmm, I would also think it could be something that is really up to the individual. Those players that you mentioned - I've actually seen improvements in all of them! LCW's smash that you mentioned.. Lin Dan.. Wow that guy has improved so much over the years! Haha. I of course can't rule out an improvement for Ko, but just judging from his years in the pro circuit I just don't see it ie his service - it hasn't been working for him but he's still not changing it (serving quickly without looking up).

    But a lot of things about the Koreans/Korean team would require an understanding of the culture at large. Of course that's another discussion altogether one thing about them is they aren't known to be very.. 'Creative' for lack of a better word. Which is probably why u will keep seeing their players use the same strategies over and over although it isn't working for them..

    as for question about their living arrangements. Yes, they do live in a national sports center called 태릉선수촌 or Taereung sports village, north east of Seoul. The men and women are rather segregated though, the males live in one building and the women in another. This is another thing about their culture where the men and women sometimes are quite separated, you'll observe this when the korean players go and have meals, the men and women seldom seat at the same table. From what I did know, Ko used to share a room with Yoo in their previous partnership. I'm not sure if married players like Jung jae sung and lee hyun il lived there though, cause lee yong dae seemed like he didn't have a room mate.. The only badminton players who were romantically involved were ra kyung Min and Kim dong moon. There doesn't seem to be any after them the players usually seem to marry/date people outside of the industry haha.

    Sorry about the long post!
    Very informative post! Enjoy reading the living arrangements part though

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilmizsara View Post

    This. I also find Lee very tame compared to his old self. He seems un-enthused, sometimes he looks like he rather be somewhere else.. And he's starting to make plenty of unforced errors himself. And Especially the bolded statement is the feeling I get from him..All the time. :/ I think he thinks Ko is not the partner for him to go very far with(which I sort of agree with), but does he really have to make it so obvious (to me at least)..he always looks tensed and sometimes so irritated, playing with Ko. I don't know but I think things like that do affect a partnership...
    i agree with your post, i got a thought that the problem is LYD mental. i know he got olympic gold medal but who is he to demand such a perfect player to play with? a god? he must remember jung is no longer around to cover him and he is now playing with ko! he must change his mindset, stay aggressive and positive during game. i feel sorry for ko, everytime he made an error he immediately apologize to lee like he can't do a mistake while playing with lee. lee should clone himself to play with himself. (don't take it serious!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulpx View Post
    i agree with your post, i got a thought that the problem is LYD mental. i know he got olympic gold medal but who is he to demand such a perfect player to play with? a god? he must remember jung is no longer around to cover him and he is now playing with ko! he must change his mindset, stay aggressive and positive during game. i feel sorry for ko, everytime he made an error he immediately apologize to lee like he can't do a mistake while playing with lee. lee should clone himself to play with himself. (don't take it serious!)
    Actually he 'only' got a Bronze in that particular discipline....

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    Hi Fans: Is lee yong dae still using BS blue color any chance he will switch to his old BS LYD or new BS 12 N?

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    Dude, what's with your obsession with pro's rackets And so far, he's been using the Bs12 (blue) constantly ever since partnering up with Ko.

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    Bro , i had been trying hard to buy Lee yong dae blue racket, but its all sold out in singapore.

    Do you know where can i buy BS 12 3U blue color ?

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    Nope, sorry. No idea. In Germany they've been rather quick to switch to the new model....only the LYD is still available in its old color here afaik. Maybe try RKEP Eric - email him. You can find the email on his ebay shop (squash_mart or just search for RKEP).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilmizsara View Post
    From what I did know, Ko used to share a room with Yoo in their previous partnership. I'm not sure if married players like Jung jae sung and lee hyun il lived there though, cause lee yong dae seemed like he didn't have a room mate.. The only badminton players who were romantically involved were ra kyung Min and Kim dong moon. There doesn't seem to be any after them the players usually seem to marry/date people outside of the industry haha.
    The married players do live there. Lee Yong Dae and Jung Jae Sung roomed together right up until the Olympics. Yoo Yong Sung mentioned he was married and had kids before he left the national team. Kim and Ra are indeed the most recent national team couple but there were plenty before them and Jung Jae Sung's wife is a player, too, but they were never team-mates. They were introduced by a common team-mate.

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    Of course they would! The Korean team has the greatest concentration of badminton's pretty girl!

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    I can't help but think that the gender-segregation hurts their mixed doubles performance. Just look at how much interaction there is within partnerships; often they look like they don't care.
    Lots of physical contact (another taboo in Korea ) is thought to help teamwork and performance, but that too is missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolsticeOfLight View Post
    I can't help but think that the gender-segregation hurts their mixed doubles performance. Just look at how much interaction there is within partnerships; often they look like they don't care.Lots of physical contact (another taboo in Korea ) is thought to help teamwork and performance, but that too is missing.
    I totally agree! I think there is some objective truth to our thoughts too. The Danish pair have quite abit of physical contact and look bonded..even the other Asian pairs like the Chinese and Indonesians. Not so with Korean mixed doubles.. I don't sense much camaraderie between partners..and when they win, no hugs heh

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    Statistically, this pair is beyond phenomenal
    Simply looking at how many finals they've been in before the 1st year of their partnership is amazing
    Looking at the game stats, they've played 14 tournaments together within the year, and they're already world #2.
    Just because both of them have achieved in other partnerships doesn't always mean they'll work well together, and 9 finals out of 14 tournaments (also needing to qualify in the beginning, and no seeding) is undebatably a huge success.
    Of course in comparison to LYD/JJS former partnership, it seems like nothing, but they've had years to form their partnership. They went out with a bang too, bronze medal in the OG wasn't what we all expected, but just participating in the OG is a major accomplishment for most athletes.
    A pair at the start compared to another pair's absolute peak is simply unfair to the players, and the new comer.

    Play style:
    Don't understand where all the hate for Ko Sung Hyun is coming from either. Just because the points finish on Ko doesn't necessarily mean that it was his mistake.
    E.g. LYD plays a poor lift on Ko's side, and the smash lands on Ko's side, it's LYD's fault for a poor shot to set up a finish for the other pair.
    I've been watching quite a few of their games, and objectively speaking, I honestly don't believe that he's by any means inconsistent. The Koreans tend to play themselves into long rallies, and just to stay in the rallies demand the utmost consistency in shot quality. Their entire play depends on that, and if they can't play that style, someone tell me how they've won 6 titles together already.

    Mental strength and partnership:
    KSH certainly seems submissive compared to LYD who's achieved so much while being so young. The important fact is that their partnership is only in their first year, all the other pairs have been playing together for ages and haven't won as many titles as they have in the first year. Sure they've flopped in a few tournaments (namely AE 2013), but they've won so much too. LYD was quite domineering, seemingly blaming every lost point on KSH, but watching India open, he's avoided such confrontations.

    Conclusion:
    There's no debating, Lee Yong Dae and Ko Sung Hyun are certainly the strongest pair Korea has to offer at this moment, and only a year into their partnership, they've secured 6 titles. These are facts that can't be denied. JJS hit his peak at 28 and held on to it until he was 30, and Cai Yun won his OG gold at 32 years of age. LYD and KSH are 24/25 respectively, which means they have all the time to mature and improve on what is an amazing start.

    So guys, before we harp on KSH again, just watch this clip of the 2nd tournament together:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OPlSHP1nHk

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