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    Yeah...seriously not sportsmanship. Qiu Zihan was intended to let the serve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casperwinde View Post
    Yeah...seriously not sportsmanship. Qiu Zihan was intended to let the serve.
    Ko was serving in an unpredictably fast fashion. QZH may have wanted to send a message to slow that down.

    This brings up the topic of gamesmanship at service for both the server and receiver. BWF should take a good look and send clear directives to the players, coaches and umpires. There are so many borderline service problems such as holding the serve for too long (e.g. Ma Jin, Christinna Pedersen), serving before the receiver being fully set (e.g. LCW serving just as the receive lowering his raised hand), double actions, etc. We are not even talking about where the "waist" is, which can seem random.

    There should be clearer understanding for all. Some of the "tactics" that are simply uncomfortable for fans to watch should clearly be banned.
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    Regarding glaring at opponents direction, i noticed they did it more in game 1 when they faced the camera. In game 2, they rarely do that, and they often glaring to their back direction. Considering their boss and teammates sitting location (which is behind Korean pair in game 1), then this factor may have something to do with their attitudes. When seems that they glaring to their opponents in game 1, there is a chance they glare with full self confidence to their boss for the opportunity they're be given that night, that they did the job well!

    Anyway, thus is just my personal opinion. If i see it wrong, then they do better change that bad habit for their own reputation. Afterall, there is an umpire on court that could see the overall process along the match, and can give warning when they feel anything has going wrong way.

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    I agree with you. I think Ko's serve was too fast, he would often serve while Qiu was still looking at the ground. Both sides need to be ready. Receiver needs to be able to lower his hand and have his eyes upwards.

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    How about the service judge (let him/her take up this part of the workload from the umpire) calling out 'Ready, serve!"? To be more specific, the service judge call out both sides to get ready, the moment he sees they are ready, he gives the order to serve and the server has to do it within say five seconds, failing which the point is awarded to the receiving side. Another thing is once serve is announced, the receiver cannot suddenly raise his arm or indicate he is not ready.

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    I believe it should be more similar to Tennis - you never have any issues there. You play to the pace of the server, who has 30 seconds (I think) to serve....delaying it past that warrants a warning (although some umpires lack the stones to do it with the big names, Nadal gets way with delaying all the time).
    You can't really serve whenever you want, but once the receiver appears ready, he should not be allowed to raise his hand again. The excuse of sweat dripping into the eyes is really just lame, especially when you wiped off the sweat 5 seconds ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    I believe it should be more similar to Tennis...
    Only if badminton service starts from the baseline with a toss. The toss gives sufficient warning to the receiver to go from ready to really ready. There is no such luxury in badminton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedShuttle View Post
    Only if badminton service starts from the baseline with a toss. The toss gives sufficient warning to the receiver to go from ready to really ready. There is no such luxury in badminton.
    No, the server walking to the line and getting ready gives sufficient warning. What's your point, anyway? That the backswing of the racket isn't sufficient to warn the receiver? The difference in serves is basically what makes badminton so much more interesting than tennis where the serve carries way too much importance (I mean, look at guys like Roddick - what can he do besides serving really fast?).

    The 30 seconds wouldn't apply from when the server is ready to serve, but from the time he has the shuttle. That way the receiver doesn't have to be on edge any longer than he has to with the current rules.

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    Won't see them again for a couple weeks. Perhaps time to check out how they did against KKK/TBH at the 2011 WC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdfecq9nrWs

    Compared to the LXL today, LXL looked like he had a tranquillizer shot before the match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    No, the server walking to the line and getting ready gives sufficient warning. What's your point, anyway? That the backswing of the racket isn't sufficient to warn the receiver?
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    The way some players serve? Like LCW and KSH? There's no way the receiver has enough time to detect the backswing to the serve, especially having to see thru the net and those players don't have a service holding position before delivering serve...

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    I believe it should be more similar to Tennis - you never have any issues there. You play to the pace of the server, who has 30 seconds (I think)
    I disagree, players in Tennis like to take their sweet time, it is annoying (the game itself is annoying too ;p).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigH-Max View Post
    I disagree, players in Tennis like to take their sweet time, it is annoying (the game itself is annoying too ;p).
    Well it depends on the umpire how strictly they enforce the rules. But officially they're supposed to serve after a certain time...

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    I am excited for the Liu/Qiu duo to meet the malaysians KKK/TBH. Current head2head stats is 6-0, in favor with the malaysians. Lets see how much the Chinese pair have improved.

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    I'm rather unexcited at the prospect. With the Malaysians' recent form it wouldn't be a contest....the scores had been close since 2011, and with the Chinese' breakthrough this year I'm rather certain they'd win.
    Otoh, the Malaysians are under a bit of pressure since BAM stated that they'll be split unless they get to the WC final....let's see how that plays out (I believe they'll neither get to the final nor be split, BAM has no players to fill that gap....once they and LCW retire I don't see Malaysia winning more than 1 SS title a year).

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    Is it just me or does sayaka takahashi japanese WS player resemble liu xiaolong, both facial resemblance as well as traits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harish Reddy M View Post
    Is it just me or does sayaka takahashi japanese WS player resemble liu xiaolong, both facial resemblance as well as traits.
    Haha... what a coincidence... I was thinking the same thing when watching her played Saina.
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    yeah me too got the feeling while watching the match with saina

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