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    Quote Originally Posted by RedShuttle View Post
    No, that's Qin JinJing (秦金晶), one year older than HBJ.

    http://sports.cntv.cn/2013/08/22/VID...02971460.shtml
    watched the video...and found that this tournament is in NanJing but the one I mentioned is in Malaysia before NanJing. I think its name cause confusion...but I mean the one in Malaysia.

    Anyway, it's good that now I know Qin JinJing as well she also good.
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    Also curious to know another CHN girl who played Ohori in Malaysia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvenBetter View Post
    Also curious to know another CHN girl who played Ohori in Malaysia...
    OK. That's the Asia U19 tournament. Yes, in the semi-finals, HBJ played Busanan and QJJ played Ohori. Both Chinese girls lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedShuttle View Post
    OK. That's the Asia U19 tournament. Yes, in the semi-finals, HBJ played Busanan and QJJ played Ohori. Both Chinese girls lost.
    oh yes, it is AJC. I'm a bit lost...
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    Just wondering why can't CBA make an exception and let He Bingjiao who's just turning 16 play in the regular adult international circuit. Try it out as an experiment, the Thais are doing it as a norm and producing praiseworthy results. No harm having a youngster performing on par with their established seniors when she's an asset to the team.

    She was withdrawn from the CM because she has to take part in the on-going Malaysian May Bank U-19 International Championship .

    Here is the link http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...C-6C0D0877D74F

    Another young Chinese girl to look out for is Chen Yu-Fei. She is one year younger than HBJ.

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    He Bingjiao has just won the Malaysian MayBank International Youth U-19 Championship, beating KOR Kim Hyo Min for the WS title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    He Bingjiao has just won the Malaysian MayBank International Youth U-19 Championship, beating KOR Kim Hyo Min for the WS title.
    congratz to her...the only winner from china as korea dominates this event

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    Watch the child prodigy, He Bingjiao, taking on the resurgent Liu Xin at the 12th Chinese National Games Women's Team Championship. HBJ in yellow playing for Jiangsu team, Liu Xin in red for the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j16ALtkBRE This match ended in defeat for HBJ but it showed her potential.

    I'm still looking for the one where HBJ beat Jiang Yanjiao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    When will we see her in the regular (adult) international tournaments. Not so soon for a CHN player, I suppose, may be when she's 18 years old, hopefully earlier than that if she proves herself exceptional. However,if she were a non-CHN player, I won't be surprised she gets entered in both junior and 'senior' events anytime now.
    why do you always want a kid to compete in senior international tourneys soon ?
    they are still kid. no need to push them to be in the same level and in the same responsibility with the seniors. enjoy the training, enjoy the game, enjoy having friends, enjoy social time (hanging out etc) and finish their high school are more important for a kid. they will remember such this time when they retire. not long. when they are 17/18, they will finish their high school and ready to be sent everywhere consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fathonezic View Post
    why do you always want a kid to compete in senior international tourneys soon ?
    they are still kid. no need to push them to be in the same level and in the same responsibility with the seniors. enjoy the training, enjoy the game, enjoy having friends, enjoy social time (hanging out etc) and finish their high school are more important for a kid. they will remember such this time when they retire. not long. when they are 17/18, they will finish their high school and ready to be sent everywhere consistently.
    What you say sounds good and the same thought should apply to other child prodigies like the Thais. However, if I'm not wrong, Intanon Ratchanok started her international debut as young as age 14 in both junior and adult tournaments. Actually it's up to the players themselves, if they want to devote their lives to professional badminton and have the the talents for it at a very young age, they should be given the fullest support,encouragement,resources and opportunities to do so to enable them to realize their potential in the shortest possible time.

    Remember Mia Audina who helped INA won the Uber Cup in 1994 at age 14 ? What about Taufik Hidayat ? In tennis, I've heard of 9-yr-old prodigy Gabby Price whilst in the past Jennifer Capriatri became a Sports Illustrated cover girl at age 13. In swimming, CHN's 16-yr-old Ye Shiwen won gold medals in the 400m and the 200m individual medley at the London Olympics 2012. And I could go on...

    Oh, how can we forget 16-yr-old Akane Yamaguchi at the JO SS today ?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    What you say sounds good and the same thought should apply to other child prodigies like the Thais. However, if I'm not wrong, Intanon Ratchanok started her international debut as young as age 14 in both junior and adult tournaments. Actually it's up to the players themselves, if they want to devote their lives to professional badminton and have the the talents for it at a very young age, they should be given the fullest support,encouragement,resources and opportunities to do so to enable them to realize their potential in the shortest possible time.

    Remember Mia Audina who helped INA won the Uber Cup in 1994 at age 14 ? What about Taufik Hidayat ? In tennis, I've heard of 9-yr-old prodigy Gabby Price whilst in the past Jennifer Capriatri became a Sports Illustrated cover girl at age 13. In swimming, CHN's 16-yr-old Ye Shiwen won gold medals in the 400m and the 200m individual medley at the London Olympics 2012. And I could go on...

    Oh, how can we forget 16-yr-old Akane Yamaguchi at the JO SS today ?!
    akane yamaguchi play at home. she only play outside country maybe 2-3 times a year ? of course, this is different. you remember when mia audina did make many problems when she was 19/20? and then quit national team ?

    i always think, a kid should be a kid. let them grow bit by bit. both physical (let say badminton skill) and also the mentality. let them taste becoming teenager. for the sake of themselves. Now Ratchanok start getting injury.regularly go to hospital for therapy. in such "so called" young age. I heard too that Ratchanok has a mental problem. die hard INA bad fans know well that Taufik cheat his age by 2-3 years. in 96, INA only send him maybe twice/thrice outside the country? If Taufik didnt cheat his age, so virtually, he ended his career in 25 (2006). after that, he was mediocre. Taufik was also a problem maker in Pelatnas since 2002. Mia ? she disappeared from the elite badminton level at 25 yo.

    it doesnt matter whether they succeed or not. they can succeed like ratchanok (and many athletes you mention), they also can fail , but age is not coming back. they can not taste becoming teenager anymore.

    He Bingjiao, still 16. if she has to be in elite team of China, she will train with top players. that's good. but look at their age. who wants to have a kiddy chat with HBJ ? she does not have life then.

    another case, there is a good example in INA. a young player suddenly disappear from training ground for around a week recently. when he got back, he said that he really miss his mom, so he got back home without telling anyone. in tennis, do not only remember the success story of capriati. remember too about her mental problem. her story with marijuana, getting arrest, a long break etc. luckily, she could escape and come back but needs very long time. their mentality is still growing. dont push them to be an adult just in seconds.they need time.

    Another thing is education. Even if they are very very promising, and they would like to sacrifice school, it is still a responsibility for the organization to facilitate them to finish high school (at least). you can say that they WANT to sacrifice school in order to succeed, but hey, they are only kid. What does a kid think ? They sometimes dont think far, sometimes dont care, but WE CARE. who can guarantee that she will succeed ? how if she/he ended his/her career early like Wang Lin due to injury? luckily, Wang Lin is cute though. I think it's just a matter of time for her to find a succeed man to marry with.

    treating a young player and an elite player is different. the coach only think about win and lose for an elite player. but for a young player, we have to teach also about growing through teenager time to become an adult. We must also preparing them if they fail through education.

    I think, the coach has been good in treating He Bingjiao. send her instead of China Master. she never won an U-19 competition, right? She also have no AJC/WJC gold in hand if not mistaken. win it first. prove something. even i dont think that she is a top 10 in the CHN WS national ranking.

    however, this is only my opinion. i could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fathonezic View Post
    akane yamaguchi play at home. she only play outside country maybe 2-3 times a year ? of course, this is different. you remember when mia audina did make many problems when she was 19/20? and then quit national team ?

    i always think, a kid should be a kid. let them grow bit by bit. both physical (let say badminton skill) and also the mentality. let them taste becoming teenager. for the sake of themselves. Now Ratchanok start getting injury.regularly go to hospital for therapy. in such "so called" young age. I heard too that Ratchanok has a mental problem. die hard INA bad fans know well that Taufik cheat his age by 2-3 years. in 96, INA only send him maybe twice/thrice outside the country? If Taufik didnt cheat his age, so virtually, he ended his career in 25 (2006). after that, he was mediocre. Taufik was also a problem maker in Pelatnas since 2002. Mia ? she disappeared from the elite badminton level at 25 yo.

    it doesnt matter whether they succeed or not. they can succeed like ratchanok (and many athletes you mention), they also can fail , but age is not coming back. they can not taste becoming teenager anymore.

    He Bingjiao, still 16. if she has to be in elite team of China, she will train with top players. that's good. but look at their age. who wants to have a kiddy chat with HBJ ? she does not have life then.

    another case, there is a good example in INA. a young player suddenly disappear from training ground for around a week recently. when he got back, he said that he really miss his mom, so he got back home without telling anyone. in tennis, do not only remember the success story of capriati. remember too about her mental problem. her story with marijuana, getting arrest, a long break etc. luckily, she could escape and come back but needs very long time. their mentality is still growing. dont push them to be an adult just in seconds.they need time.

    Another thing is education. Even if they are very very promising, and they would like to sacrifice school, it is still a responsibility for the organization to facilitate them to finish high school (at least). you can say that they WANT to sacrifice school in order to succeed, but hey, they are only kid. What does a kid think ? They sometimes dont think far, sometimes dont care, but WE CARE. who can guarantee that she will succeed ? how if she/he ended his/her career early like Wang Lin due to injury? luckily, Wang Lin is cute though. I think it's just a matter of time for her to find a succeed man to marry with.

    treating a young player and an elite player is different. the coach only think about win and lose for an elite player. but for a young player, we have to teach also about growing through teenager time to become an adult. We must also preparing them if they fail through education.

    I think, the coach has been good in treating He Bingjiao. send her instead of China Master. she never won an U-19 competition, right? She also have no AJC/WJC gold in hand if not mistaken. win it first. prove something. even i dont think that she is a top 10 in the CHN WS national ranking.

    however, this is only my opinion. i could be wrong.
    I'm sure He BingJiao and her parents would appreciate your good advice and concern. About Taufik's age, I'm very surprised to learn of it.

    Indeed, a good education is very important for its own sake and a proper balance should be struck between career and studies for those who can make it academically. Still it's not an easy decision to make; ultimately HBJ with her parents' approval will be driven by her passion for the sport on how much to devote her youth to and what to prioritize. That's why I always urged young athletes to have a mentor to guide them in their growing years.

    As we know, the world of sport has become so competitive and commercialized that in reality it's very common for child prodigies to capitalize on it as early as possible so much so that many choose to devote their lives to sporting career first and do their studies later on. To each his/her own. We can only wish He Bingjiao all the very best.

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    depend on what type of player she is and how she gain experience,training or match?
    that's the different between RI/TTY and other youngster in ws

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    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...C589&match=363

    so the 'child prodigy' lost to the youngster ss winner in history.

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    What is there to compare the two 16-year-olds, He BJ and Akane Y ? One has never played in any adult international tourneys nor win anything vs the other who is a Superseries winner ?! Anyway, at this tender age, they are still at their formative age, too early to tell how they will develop in future.

    At present, no doubt, Akane Yamaguchi is the better player of the two child prodigies based on their very first meeting. Who knows what the future has in store for them. Let's patiently wait and see.

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    nor won anything?funny,who is the poster of post 23 in this thread?

    oh!how about this?
    http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...3C4&player=118
    2 title from ws and wd.
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    Contextually,I think it should be obvious that I'm referring to the regular adult international tournaments, such as the GPG or SS. Surely we are not going to compare He BJ's Badminton Asia Youth U17 GS title (is it worth mentioning again?) with Akane's JPN Open SS WS title conquering the more experienced,established, once-upon-a-time child prodigy now 19-yr-old world-class player,Tai Tzu Ying, in the final.

    OK, I re-qualify my statement that by 'win anything' I have in mind not the junior events but the adult tourneys. Or I should've added 'win anything of significance'.

    Don't forget, even IR started playing in the adult international circuit around age 14 and only won her first GPG title at age 16 (?) i.e. 2 years later - if I remember correctly, it's the India Open GPG in 2011 - before capturing the world title at 18, four years later . So Akane winning a SS title at age 16, assuming she just started her international playing career, is much more impressive, age-wise. Btw, at the East Asian Games last month, Akane, somewhat surprisingly, failed to get past Wang Shixian (whom many considered over-the-hill) in the semifinals.

    For me, being the youngest or oldest champion is worthy of praise and deserving of mention in the Guinness Book of Records but it's still not as noteworthy as being a great(est) champion.

    As for He BJ, we really have to wait for her to start competing at the adult level to know how good she can be or is. I believe she will live up to my expectations when the time comes.

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