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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejohn View Post
    Knock out from first round, but redraw for second, then third rounds, nightmare for organisers but would completely cut out any fixing
    You can't just redraw the whole tournament seed 1&2 might meet in R2. If you keep the seeds in place then no need for redraws anyway(remember all reg for amount of players from one country top 3 etc). Regardless if CHN v CHN met in 2nd round there would be a "light match" so still fixing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjmeister View Post
    The simplest solution to the problem (whilst still keeping round robin) would be to blind draw the knock out brackets only after the last RR match has been played. That being said, I am in favor of a 128 draw, 16 double byes for top ranked players, 16 byes for 2nd tier, all countries that want/can afford to send can enter a player/team, else the empties are filled with a 2nd player per country starting at the top ranking downward (max 2 players/teams per country per event). Thoughts?
    That is what they are doing see post 1. Unless you mean every one should be redrawn for knockout, but then that would be not so good, as seed 1&2 could meet in second round ruining the tournament anyway. Your knockout plan seems OK but groups allow for more games for the rubbish players which is their main point, you would still get 48 folk going home with one match of maybe 15mins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChubbyCheshire View Post
    The alternative is, like the Commonwealth Games, is have two events - an individual knockout event (and open it up to more countries not just the top players), and a team event, which can either be knockout or on a league basis. That way you are guaranteed more than one game !
    Too many matches for players that would be going all the way in team and individual. Could see it again working in a fixing sense as for example poor LCW would be made to play every team match because no depth and LD would basically get rested the whole team event because CHN would win anyways. If they did it the other way around individual then team I think everyone would just be too knackered anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    That is what they are doing see post 1. Unless you mean every one should be redrawn for knockout, but then that would be not so good, as seed 1&2 could meet in second round ruining the tournament anyway. Your knockout plan seems OK but groups allow for more games for the rubbish players which is their main point, you would still get 48 folk going home with one match of maybe 15mins.
    My main reasoning in this stems from my possess of the "Olympic dream" - the best of EVERY country should have the opportunity to compete if willing and able. The olympics will never be the strongest or toughest tournament, but to exclude developing and mid level countries from having the chance to attend and represent their country as the national champion is opposite of the"olympic spirit" - the Olympics should concentrate 99% on 2 things: the sport and the athletes; spectators and fans should be 2nd. Just my opinion.

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    Do they mean a second random draw, or a second draw where the World Rankings are used to determine the positions of the second-in-group teams?

    If its a completely random draw, it might not be much better than the current situation! CHN WR#1 loses by accident. CHN WR#2 decides to lose as well to avoid the 25% possibility of ending up playing WR#1 (only two teams from each country really doesnt help here). Players in the other two groups desire to avoid playing either #1 or #2, so start throwing games, and it all goes horribly wrong in pretty much the same way as before!

    If they use the World Rankings to reseed the second-in-groups then WR#2 has no possibility of playing the WR #1, so no problems!

    Better plan: If you win your group, then the 4 teams that win their group get to pick their opponents, with the teams with the higher WR getting to choose first. This way, people are highly motivated to win their group to avoid being at the mercy of someone else's decision (most top sportspeople in a 4-year cycle OG are VERY risk-adverse). Also partially mitigates the problems caused by a particularly fearsome lower-ranked opponent (eg Lin Dan decides to make a comeback in Rio, but played very little tournaments and is ranked #20 in world). Also, if the WR#1 loses, and you win your group, you can make a real psychological tough-guy statement and pick them!
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    Given that there is already a limit of two pairs from each nation, why not just make it a rule to keep them in separate halves? This is done for singles, the same logic should be applied to doubles.

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