To continue using the Z-force or to get an N90 Woods

**pussiii999** · 12-10-2012, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by WoOZY

I'm fairly inconsistent... But if I manage to let one rip... Yes it's a powerful shot

Mind you I'm not the typical Asian build... 6'2" and 210lbs LOLLLL

I think big ppl suit n90 cos we destabilize thin racket ..... I thought it was my technical problem until i got my n90 and everything is smooth for me ..... Big ppl need heavy racket to feel it ......
(btw i use z slash before also hahaha)

**Nicky_Boy02** · 12-10-2012, 03:32 PM

Thanks for the info, bud. But I thought the difference between MX80 and MXjjs is only in term of stiffness. Hmm... Why do u say that MXjjs is harder to wield compare to MX80? How's MX80's maneuverability compare to MXjjs? because maneuverability I found it to be very important so that I could counter-attack at the front court by any chance and I could keep smashing continuously from the back. I think maneuverability=speed right?

**WoOZY** · 12-10-2012, 03:38 PM

The MX-JJS is head heavier than the MX80. If you check the graph, it shows that the MX-JJS is head heavier than the MX80. Because of this, the MX80 is MUCH more maneuverable than the JJS. Net kills on the MX-JJS is really difficult because your wrist has to generate a fast downward stroke... It feels so heavy that I'm afraid I would sprain my wrist if I push to hard...

**Nicky_Boy02** · 12-10-2012, 04:25 PM

Thanks.. Sorry for another question again.. How would you compare voltric zforce stiffness vs MX80 stiffness?? Hmm... I'm using VTZF 4U because VTZF3U is too demanding of power to use in double. Do u think a VTZF 4U user can wield a MX80 3U?? Because I found that my VTZF 4U is somehow weight the same as Ti-10 3U

**WoOZY** · 12-10-2012, 04:38 PM

MX80 shaft is MUCHHH stiffer than the ZForce... Not doubt about it!

Do you rely on the racket's flex to generate power? Because my swing is fast, compact and hard... My swing generally doesn't flex the racket's shaft. I chose highly repulsive strings (NBG99 JP) with 27lbs tension to minimize hold on the string bed. This setup minimizes recoil so the bird almost leaves the stringbed immediately.

To me this is what you need for doubles... Fast and hard!

Hope this helps

**Cycril** · 12-10-2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by gundamzaku

i completely agree with this comment!

on top of this, i feel that the n90 is not head heavy but just heavy. i compared it with my arc10 2u and it's even heavier than that. some on this forum say it's 3u, but i disagree. it's so heavy that it's just a training racket for me, so is my n50.

when you hold the z force near the cone, at least you'll fee the difference in swing weight because the overall weight is much lighter than the n90. even when i hold it near the cone of the n90, it's still heavy for me.

on a side note, that's why i am amazed at LD's ability to play games with it, it's just too damn heavy for me

LD still have weights on his racket head!

**Nicky_Boy02** · 12-10-2012, 08:41 PM

But I heard using such stiff racket will rip your arm off.. How about MX70? Will it be the same as MX80 but less stiffer? Because I'm planning to get only one last spare racket in case my zforce string broken. I'm afraid of getting a wrong racket n regret, thanks god zforce didn't disappoint me. Last time I use AT700 first gen for double and my hit are soooooooo slow. Once I change to Ti-10 (my friend's racket because AT700 broke), my game improve a lot, as in I could keep smash continuously from the racket while AT700 makes me tired after 3 straight hard smash. I heard MX80 is very power demanding, hence I'm afraid I will back to my AT700 track.

**WoOZY** · 12-10-2012, 09:46 PM

Avoid MX70 at all cost!!! Something is wrong with that racket and I can't put my finger on it!!!

My friend has one and it literally just broke on the in the 10 o'clock position. It wasn't off a clash but just after a hit which sounds like it didn't hit the frame. But it just caved. According to Victor Canada, there is a new stringing pattern and if it wasn't strung properly that happens... Sounds kind of sketchy to me! The racket just doesn't have that reassuring feel to it... Even before my friend's incident, when I first held the racket, it felt hollow...

Actually my friend who sold me his MX80 also said that it felt like it's ripping his arm out. Which is why he had to sell it... Personally I have no idea what he meant because I think it's pretty easy to use! The only difference is he mainly plays plastic and I play feather. He uses VS850 at 26lbs and I use NBG99 at 27lbs.

Perhaps it's all back to technique...

**WoOZY** · 12-10-2012, 09:47 PM

And it's definitely less demanding than N90, MX-JJS, and AT900P!

**Danze** · 12-10-2012, 10:05 PM

There may be some yonex bias here, but I would say stay with the Z force.
If more head heaviness is what you are after, try use thinner grip and heavier thicker string.
I mean, Z force has a lot more technology than n90, you have 4u z force which is already the most head heavy thing you can possible get from yonex. Stay with 4u z force mate.

**Spadroliken** · 12-10-2012, 10:13 PM

Thanks Danze, I think I will stick with the Z-force. Already using thinner grip, as for the string...any recommendations on a heavier thicker string? I'm currently using Yonex Nanogy 99 at 26lbs.

**gundamzaku** · 12-11-2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Cycril

LD still have weights on his racket head!

i know, that's why i'm even afraid to shake his hand, might break my bones, but he's left handed so i'm ok....now if i can just get a chance to shake his hand, LOL

**gundamzaku** · 12-11-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Nicky_Boy02

But I heard using such stiff racket will rip your arm off.. How about MX70? Will it be the same as MX80 but less stiffer? Because I'm planning to get only one last spare racket in case my zforce string broken. I'm afraid of getting a wrong racket n regret, thanks god zforce didn't disappoint me. Last time I use AT700 first gen for double and my hit are soooooooo slow. Once I change to Ti-10 (my friend's racket because AT700 broke), my game improve a lot, as in I could keep smash continuously from the racket while AT700 makes me tired after 3 straight hard smash. I heard MX80 is very power demanding, hence I'm afraid I will back to my AT700 track.

then another possibility is that you can play better with a more even balance racket than a head heavy balance racket? just wondering

**gundamzaku** · 12-11-2012, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by WoOZY

Avoid MX70 at all cost!!! Something is wrong with that racket and I can't put my finger on it!!!

My friend has one and it literally just broke on the in the 10 o'clock position. It wasn't off a clash but just after a hit which sounds like it didn't hit the frame. But it just caved. According to Victor Canada, there is a new stringing pattern and if it wasn't strung properly that happens... Sounds kind of sketchy to me! The racket just doesn't have that reassuring feel to it... Even before my friend's incident, when I first held the racket, it felt hollow...

Actually my friend who sold me his MX80 also said that it felt like it's ripping his arm out. Which is why he had to sell it... Personally I have no idea what he meant because I think it's pretty easy to use! The only difference is he mainly plays plastic and I play feather. He uses VS850 at 26lbs and I use NBG99 at 27lbs.

Perhaps it's all back to technique...

i have also compared both vs850 and nbg99, at the same tension on the same two rackets, vs850 is a much stiffer string, and nbg99 is a much more repulsive string, if that helps.

**Nicky_Boy02** · 12-11-2012, 07:46 PM

Yeah, at first I thought so. But now I have adapted to my VTZF and it's a very nice racket for attacking. Since it's a 4U hence it's very easy to maneuver. But I found that the 4U vtzf is somehow the same weight as the Ti-10 3u. So I'm wondering if MX80 3U will be something like my vtzf 4u in terms of maneuverability and weight.