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    Thumbs up The Four Heavenly Kings

    Come across this Chinese article about the Four Heavenly Kings http://sports.qq.com/a/20130103/000494.htm

    Instead of translating the whole article, I will just highlight the statistical comparison(only BWF-sanctioned events):

    世界排名第一周数WR No.1 in weeks:
    林丹
    Lin Dan
    陶菲克
    Taufik Hidayat
    李宗伟
    Lee Chong Wei
    盖德
    Peter Gade
    244周
    无Nil(最高排名第Highest rank 2)
    213周
    62周




    世界冠军数World Championship(Team & Individual) stats:
    林丹
    Lin Dan
    陶菲克
    Taufik Hidayat
    李宗伟
    Lee Chong Wei
    盖德
    Peter Gade
    17个

    2004年:23届汤姆斯杯Thomas Cup冠军主力成员

    2005年:第9届苏迪曼杯Sudirman Cup冠军主力成员
    2005年:益阳世界杯男单冠军World Cup

    2006年:第24届汤姆斯杯Thomas Cup冠军主力成员
    2006年:西班牙世锦赛World C'ship男单冠军
    2006年:益阳世界杯World Cup男单冠军

    2007年:第10届苏迪曼杯Sudirman Cup冠军主力成员
    2007年:马来西亚羽毛球世界赛World C'ship男单冠军

    2008年:第25届汤姆斯杯Thomas Cup冠军主力成员
    2008年:北京奥运会Beijing Olympics男单冠军

    2009年:第11届苏迪曼杯Sudirman Cup冠军主力成员
    2009年:印度世锦赛World C'ship男单冠军

    2010年:第26届汤姆斯杯Thomas Cup冠军主力成员

    2011年:第12届苏迪曼杯Sudirman Cup冠军主力成员
    2011年:英国世锦赛World C'ship男单冠军

    2012年:第27届汤姆斯杯Thomas Cup冠军主力成员
    2012年:伦敦奥运会London Olympics男单冠军
    4个

    2000年:马来西亚吉隆坡第21届汤姆斯杯Thomas Cup冠军队成员

    2002年:中国广州第22届汤姆斯杯Thomas Cup冠军队成员

    2004年:雅典奥运会Athens Olympics男单金牌


    2005年:美国阿纳海姆世锦赛World C'ship男单冠军

    Nil

    Nil




    羽联大奖赛冠军数BWF Big Title stats:
    林丹
    Lin Dan
    陶菲克
    Taufik Hidayat
    李宗伟
    Lee Chong Wei
    盖德
    Peter Gade
    39个

    2002年:韩国公开赛冠军KOR Open

    2003年:中国CHN Open、丹麦DEN Open、香港公开赛HK Open冠军

    2004年:全英公开赛All ENG冠军;德国GER Open、中国CHN Open、瑞士Swiss Open、丹麦公开赛DEN Open冠军

    2005年:中国大师赛CHN Masters冠军;日本JPN Open、香港HK Open、德国GER Open公开赛冠军

    2006年:全英公开赛All ENG Open冠军;日本JPN Open、香港HK Open、澳门Macau Open、中华台北Chinese Taipei Open冠军

    2007年:全英公开赛All ENG冠军;韩国超级赛KOR Open 冠军(世界羽联第一个超级赛The first BWF Superseries男单冠军)、德国黄金大奖赛GER GPG冠军(世界羽联第一个黄金大奖赛The first BWF GPG男单冠军)、丹麦超级赛DEN PSS冠军、中国大师赛CHN Masters冠军、中国香港超级赛HK SS冠军

    2008年:中国超级赛CHN Open SS冠军、瑞士超级赛Swiss Open GPG冠军、泰国黄金大奖赛Thai Open GPG冠军、

    2009年:全英赛超级赛All ENG SS冠军、中国超级赛CHN Open SS、中国大师赛CHN Masters、法国超级赛French Open SS冠军

    2010年:亚锦赛Asia C'ship冠军、广州亚运会Asian Games冠军、中国大师赛CHN Masters冠军

    2011年:总决赛SuperSeries Finals冠军;韩国顶级赛KOR Open PSS冠军(世界羽联第一个顶级赛The first PSS男单冠军)、德国黄金大奖赛GER Open GPG、中国顶级赛CHN Open PSS、香港超级赛HK Open SS、亚锦赛Asia C'ship冠军

    2012年:全英顶级赛All ENG PSS冠军、德国黄金大奖赛GER Open GPG冠军、
    11个

    2002年:中华台北公开赛Chinese Taipei Open 、印度尼西亚公开赛INA Open冠军

    2003年:印度尼西亚公开赛IND Open冠军

    2004年:印度尼西亚INA Open冠军

    2005年:新加坡公开赛SG Open冠军

    2006年:印度尼西亚公开赛INA Open冠军

    2008年:澳门公开赛Macau Open冠军

    2009年:美国大奖赛US Open、印度公开赛IND Open冠军

    2010年:加拿大公开赛CAN Open冠军

    2011年:印度黄金大奖赛IND GPG冠军
    34个

    2003年:马来西亚卫星赛MAS Open冠军

    2004年:马来西亚公开赛MAS Open、中华台北公开赛Chinese Taipei Open冠军
    2005年:丹麦公开赛DEN Open、马来西亚公开赛MAS Open冠军

    2006年:瑞士公开赛Swiss Open、马来西亚公开赛MAS Open冠军

    2007年:日本公开赛JPN Open、印尼公开赛INA Open、菲律宾公开赛PHI Open、法国公开赛French Open冠军

    2008年:马来西亚公开赛MAS Open、新加坡公开赛SG Open、总决赛SSF冠军

    2009年:马来西亚公开赛MAS Open、瑞士公开赛Swiss Open、香港公开赛HK Open、总决赛SSF冠军

    2010年:韩国公开赛KOR Open、马来西亚公开赛MAS Open、全英公开赛All ENG Open、印尼超级赛INA Open SS、马来西亚黄金大奖赛MAS Open、印尼超级赛INA Open SS、马来西亚黄金大奖赛MAS GPG、中国香港超级赛HK Open SS、总决赛SSF冠军

    2011年:全英公开赛All ENG OPen、印度公开赛IND Open、马来西亚黄金赛MAS GPG、印尼超级赛INA Open SS、法国超级赛French Open SS冠军

    2012年:韩国公开赛KOR Open冠军、日本超级赛JPN Open SS冠军

    (Editor's note: LCW's tally should include the DEN Open PSS to make his total 35 titles for 2012. However,the INA Open SS was mentioned twice, possibly an error; in that case 34 titles may be correct)
    8个

    2002年:美国公开赛US Open、哥本哈根大师赛Copenhagen Masters冠军

    2004年: 哥本哈根大师赛Copenhagen Masters

    2005年:韩国公开赛KOR Open、哥本哈根大师赛Copenhagen Masters

    2006年:新加坡公开赛SG Open、 哥本哈根大师赛Copenhagen Masters

    2007年:马来西亚公开赛MAS Open




    四大天王之间交手记录Four Heavenly Kings H2H records:
    林丹
    Lin Dan
    陶菲克
    Taufik Hidayat
    李宗伟
    Lee Chong Wei
    盖德
    Peter Gade
    林丹VS李宗伟:21胜9负

    林丹VS陶菲克 :13胜3负

    林丹VS盖德 :
    17胜3负
    陶菲克VS李宗伟:7胜13负

    陶菲克VS林丹:
    3胜13负

    陶菲克VS盖德:
    9胜8负
    李宗伟VS林丹 :9胜21负

    李宗伟VS陶菲克:
    13胜7负

    李宗伟VS盖德 :16胜2负
    盖德VS林丹:
    3胜17负

    盖德VS陶菲克:
    8胜9负

    盖德VS李宗伟:
    2胜16负
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    Chong Wei is my Idol.. but for sure,, Lin Dan is the True Legend..

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    A couple of surprising facts to me:

    1) Lin Dan was ranked WR#1 for 244 weeks (not consecutively), more than Lee CW's 213 (not sure when is the writer's cut-off date but the article above was dated 3rd Jan 2013)?

    2) Taufik's highest rank was #2, never ranked 1 before?

    3) for Peter, the writer included the Copenhagen Masters in his BWF title count - I thought it was already a closed invitational tournament since 2002 (?).

    As we know Peter has just retired after 27th Dec 2012's Farewell Match. The article revealed that Taufik has announced his intention to retire when his career spans 13 years and 6 months in the international circuit, which I suppose coincides with the INA Open, his last tournament, this coming June.

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    Another thing, remember Lin Dan wore a T-shirt bearing the number 17 in Peter Gade's Farewell Match - it refers to the 17 World Championship Titles both team and individual he's garnered so far; that explains it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    A couple of surprising facts to me:1) Lin Dan was ranked WR#1 for 244 weeks (not consecutively), more than Lee CW's 213 (not sure when is the writer's cut-off date but the article above was dated 3rd Jan 2013)?
    if I remember correctly, LD was the world #1 from Feb 2004 to Jun 2006, Sept 2006 to Aug 2008, and Jun 2012 to Sept 2012
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    2) Taufik's highest rank was #2, never ranked 1 before?
    TH was the world #1 in 2000, but only for 3 - 4 weeks...compare it by LD and LCW for more than 200 weeks
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    3) for Peter, the writer included the Copenhagen Masters in his BWF title count - I thought it was already a closed invitational tournament since 2002 (?)
    we can check the H2H stats and win - lose records, if they count the result, so we can called it BWF official title. For examples : IBF World Cup, IBF Grand Prix Finals, Asian Games (1998 - 2010), SEA Games (1999 - 2011), East Asian Games (1993 - 2009) was not IBF / BWF official title

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    Another thing, remember Lin Dan wore a T-shirt bearing the number 17 in Peter Gade's Farewell Match - it refers to the 17 World Championship Titles both team and individual he's garnered so far; that explains it.
    17 World Championships titles according to him, but for IBF / BWF, they didn't count Badminton World Cup

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    Even my 3 years old boy will shout whenever he is playing "badminton" - I AM LIN DAN, you are LCW !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    if I remember correctly, LD was the world #1 from Feb 2004 to Jun 2006, Sept 2006 to Aug 2008, and Jun 2012 to Sept 2012 TH was the world #1 in 2000, but only for 3 - 4 weeks...compare it by LD and LCW for more than 200 weeks we can check the H2H stats and win - lose records, if they count the result, so we can called it BWF official title. For examples : IBF World Cup, IBF Grand Prix Finals, Asian Games (1998 - 2010), SEA Games (1999 - 2011), East Asian Games (1993 - 2009) was not IBF / BWF official title
    Thanks, appreciate forummers like you and AlanY to double-check the stats, point out any discrepancy and verify the claims.

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    As we know, the Four Heavenly Kings are not equal, Lin Dan being first and foremost, the dominant one, overshadowing the rest. The ones who "suffer" the most being Lee CW and Peter. Taufik is luckier for having won a couple of major titles at the beginning of Lin Dan's rise.

    Lee CW has to play second fiddle to Lin Dan almost all the time. Unlike other second fiddles that I know of in history, say Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna in F1 racing, Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger in the entertainment industry, Karpov and Kasparov in chess, for example, where honours,glories and accolades are shared though not evenly - Lee CW's case is too one-sided and unfortunate where he is more like Salieri(minus the animosity) to Mozart; virtually everyone today knows who Mozart is but few seems to have heard of Salieri despite their great rivalry.

    A few others who might deserve more than what they'd achieved if they weren't born in the wrong era as Lin Dan's could be Bao Chunlai, Chen Jin, and perhaps Lee Hyun-Il, Sony Dwi Kuncoro (who else?).

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    Now that Peter has retired, his standing as a heavenly King should have a worthy successor. To me, Chen Long appears a natural choice but I'd like to give him another year to cement his position even though he's already doing no worse than either Peter or Taufik; sounds like an understatement.

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    Lee Chong Wei, Taufik and Peter are players who have proved their abilities in this badminton arena which will be there in the minds of millions of people for long long time. Taufik's titles were not because of luck as if somebody was mentioning here. Badminton is a game where you could not achieve or win a title due to luck. Lol . Taufik is a classic player which i am missing nowadays .

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    Once again,I used the term luck as in success or good fortune or prosperity, in other words your overall circumstances or condition in life, as when you wish somebody best of luck, not in the narrow sense of by chance, a chance happening or fluke. By the way, I believe a few titles that Taufik won were not in matches with Lin Dan, so there weren't any of those kind of luck you had in mind.

    Does it mean I've to change the sentence to " Taufik is more fortunate..."?

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    A few days ago, Peter in his interview with a Chinese online media, Teng Xuan, expressed surprise that Lin Dan did not retire sometime after winning the Beijing Olympic gold, and instead went on to win a second Olympic gold in London. Now he believed Lin Dan still has what it takes to carry on successfully four more years all the way to Rio'16.

    I hope to see Lee CW pick himself up and do the same.

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    Taufik was in peak when he won the titles including Olympic Gold. He is a legend who got into the millions and millions of people' hearts which nobody has achieved before . Even with all the cricket craze in their minds, millions and millions of Indians talk about Taufik's performances which he made long time back (along with Lee Chong wei). He truly deserves all the titles which he won because of his wonderful talent and excellent performance . Truly speaking, if he have had maintained his past abilities, nobody would have been able to attain whatever they have achieved now.

    When he was in peak, how can we forget about the world championships and Asian games which he won against Lin Dan in 2005 and 2006 respectively. He may be in his trailing edge of his career now, but truly speaking he is a marvellous legend .

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    Quote Originally Posted by maertai View Post
    Taufik should not even be called Heavenly King at the beginning. Just because he won a World Championship and Olympic title between the 2004 and 2005
    I agree with this statement. I already said it several times. OG / WC is just another title, that was held amost every years. every 4 yrs we will have an OG champion. every 2 yrs we will have a world champion (now almost every year). What is so special about that ? an average player like Alan Budi Kusuma can win OG gold. average players like Joko Suprianto and Chen Jin also can win World Championships. Just look at taufik. if he is really special (bcoz he was the first MS that can win OG and WC), then why he only can win max 2 titles / year ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maertai View Post
    So you are implying had Taufik continued to play at his best, Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei would be left with nothing until the end of their career ?

    That is another flawed assumption and over-heaped praises of Taufik. Give you an example, even Taufik Hidayat at his best, he cannot even win the All England. To him, it may not be important however it goes to prove that there were players back then who still are able to beat Taufik even at his best and mind you, at that time, both Lin and Lee were not awaken yet.

    Even at his best, during the years when he won the Olympic gold and world championship, he only managed to reach three finals in one year out of 12 tournaments participated in contrast to Lee Chong Wei reaching 12 finals in 12 appearances, only be stopped by Lin Dan in the end. Lin Dan too in quite consistent if he participates and does not give walkovers for Chen Jin.

    Taufik should be fortunate he is no longer playing at his best right now or is he? If he is, then it's crystal clear who is the better player on court overall. I will still put my money on Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei to take him out in straight sets easily.

    Look, this is the new era where badminton has developed so much since the 15 point system. Clearly Taufik is not able to dominate this era.
    I am not decreasing the effects of LinDan or LCW or anybody who have done their best in their careers. But i am insisisting here is that the titles which he won (including World Championships and Asian Games against LinDan) were not due to luck. Just because he did not won All England, one cannot decrease his achievements which he made in his wonderful career . Everybody knows about taufik's abilities and performances . Not only myself. When he won Asian games against LinDan, it was 21 points system. So, you cant blame him that he did not adapt to that system very well.Lol And when he won Asian Games, it was his ninth year of his career . So, he already achieved a lot which i think no need to mention here . Despite from some critics due to his sluggish performances lately, he is a person who could not forgotten by many in this artistic world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Taufik was in peak when he won the titles including Olympic Gold. He is a legend who got into the millions and millions of people' hearts which nobody has achieved before .
    that year (2004), he only can win OG, plus INA open, and ABC when his arch rivals from China were absent, bcoz they already qualify to OG, while TH not yet. If he was in peak, why he only can win max 2 titles / year until now ???
    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Even with all the cricket craze in their minds, millions and millions of Indians talk about Taufik's performances which he made long time back (along with Lee Chong wei). He truly deserves all the titles which he won because of his wonderful talent and excellent performance .
    I'm not surprised. China and India has no good relation. even if LD won more titles compare to TH +LCW, Indians will not idolize LD.
    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Truly speaking, if he have had maintained his past abilities, nobody would have been able to attain whatever they have achieved now.
    with only 2 titles / year, what is so special about TH ?
    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    When he was in peak, how can we forget about the world championships and Asian games which he won against Lin Dan in 2005 and 2006 respectively. He may be in his trailing edge of his career now, but truly speaking he is a marvellous legend .
    2005 WC : LD was extremely tired after the SF match vs Gade, no wonder he lose to taufik. For your info, TH blame tiredness as the factor why he lose to Chen Hong, whom he never lose before. 2006 AG : don't forget, LD beats Taufik twice in the team events, the defeat that makes Taufik never won a team title when he is MS1
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