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01-11-2013, 01:58 PM #103
In an interview, LYB said that they had tried many times to suggest what BWF needs to improve ( dont know if including less matches), but BWF never listened to even a little piece of advices from China. Even before the OG, many even talked about the danger for the group stage in some chinese media because it had proved its flaws in Sudiman Cup several years before, but there was not even slight punishment imposed on any players or groups at that time. I think that's why the WD players from 3 countries dared to do what they did in OG.
after 2012 OG, many chinese players kept complaining about BWF's matches are over-dense, players have no interests to play at all. But what BWF said in an interview is that, they still think there are not so many matches for players and they won't give up any obligatory tournaments, even worse, it will probably fine more money for players who do not participate these tournaments even if they got injured. I suppose it officially deny the requests by China.
Now, we see what happened? China did send their top players to the tournaments according to the rules, and then some withdraw without breaking any rules, BWF can't punish them. It's more like some kind of protests to force BWF re-consider its policy and rules.
there is definitely no reasons for BWF not listen to some good or fair requests by China. Anyway, BWF needs China more than China needs BWF (only for OG, China needs BWF). If China really won't cooperate with BWF anymore, like the situation back to the 1970s, it may once again created its own federation along with some other countries or try to attract more elite players to play in CBSL , it would be a great danger to BWF and badminton itself
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01-11-2013, 04:34 PM #104
I for one would take any statement from LYB with a pinch of salt. I remember the British commentator (was it Gail Emms?) remarking that many of them, and officials from many other NAs had repeatedly warned BWF that the round-robin format was a disaster waiting to happen. Frankly, the timing of LYB's sudden emergence and announcements makes me suspicious as to his motives.
Players from all around the world participated in as many tournaments as the CBA players did. We saw the odd withdrawal here and there, but nothing like this... this is clearly a ramping-up of a strategy. Will it prod BWF into action?
2013 is important from the standpoint of gaining control of BWF. The AGM and elections are close at hand, Nominations are due soon; the nominations for the Athletes Commission is also up for grabs. What happens over the next 2-3 months may decide the direction of this game for at least the next 4 years.
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01-11-2013, 10:03 PM #105
They may play as many tourments as CBA players, but most of them play far less matches than CBA players. That is the point. Last year, lin dan had played 52 matches, and li xuerui had played even 61 matches, wang yihan had played near fifty. Some Thailand players had participated all 12 SS, but the matches they played not even close to 40,. That's the difference, CBA players have more rights to complain than others
01-11-2013, 10:28 PM #106
are you sure it's CBA ban BWF before 1980?
I thought it's BWF ban CBA just like Olympic games? China only attended 1984 LA Olympics.
I think it may be a good thing if BWF to ban CBA. Then LYB may lost govenment fund. He and other coaches and players may have to focus on CBSL and may be able to make badminton as a real professional sport before tennis gain market in China. Only China has the ability to make badminton a professional game.
01-11-2013, 10:31 PM #107
Last year was an exceptionally tough one for everyone, in particular for the CBA team, just because they were good enough to last until the final day, usually. I agree with your point, dieter_spath. However, you will find many other players have also been playing equally hard and often. If a player or official is complaining about an unfair rule, then I don't think one Association has "more rights to complain" than the other. That concept suggests entitlement. The over-riding issue should be "the rule is unfair to players" and "what are we going to do about it?"
[I just deleted an entire paragraph here about something else but related! ]
But this is about the recent withdrawals and the (perceived) reasons behind them. I empathize with that. What I cannot countenance is that grown, powerful, intelligent and articulate people will not collaborate on the issues confronting them. And that tells me: narrow interests, parochial and nationalistic interests, and power-plays. When it's about all that, it cannot be about badminton anymore.
01-11-2013, 11:13 PM #108
I have to agree with you, cobalt. Every player has the same rights.
Back to BWF, I think it should adopt or learn something from tennis, especially the ranking points system. It’s sure not perfect even in tennis, but at least better than what in badminton. In tennis, that system reflects, more or less, some principle more like “you play more, you get more; you are better than others, you get more”. In my opinion, a rules or system like that leaves less room for people like LYB, and CBA players to execute malpractices or withdraws.
01-12-2013, 09:25 PM #109
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01-12-2013, 09:35 PM #110
01-12-2013, 10:10 PM #111
@ 2012 BWF Superseries Finals, Korean MD, WD, XD were retired / conceded walkover, but no thread opened to criticize about it. When China do similar things,,...
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01-12-2013, 10:25 PM #112
01-12-2013, 11:54 PM #113
Why BWF just not have an extra group of medical professionals to certify if an injury is indeed true? there is also a need to harsher punishment USD5k is actually nothing much, especially some certain countries can easily paid for their players....
why not post a ban, ban the player from entering next few months of tournaments, since they need to rest so much? force them to play the qulifying matches? deduct points from them?
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01-13-2013, 12:45 PM #114
Why BWF just not have an extra group of medical professionals to certify if an injury is indeed true?
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01-13-2013, 01:26 PM #115
So then, it also presents a grey area. Officials (including medical officials) must take the player's word for the extent of pain or discomfort that the player feels at the time. If the officials insist on carrying on with play and if the player does experience a serious injury as a result, it can create a very serious situation which may escalate. Therefore, with the adage "prevention is better than cure" in mind the officials will allow the player to walk. After all, the professional player's health is of importance to the sport itself.
There is in fact, a BWF-appointed medical professional present at all majors (not sure about GP/Internationals etc) but even this doctor's priority will be the wellness of the player, and his/her assessment of the condition is always guided by feedback obtained from the player.
Any assessment procedure must be the same for all conditions. It would be impossible to have a battery of medical professionals run tests on the spot to assess the true fitness of the player. And can you imagine the uproar if after insisting the player is fit, if the player does get injured?
So we follow the Honour system. We believe that human beings will not lie or fabricate or embellish the truth or twist the facts. Or at least, that our personal heroes would not! It works for the most part.
Besides, USD 5K can still mean a lot of money for any player below the top-10/15 or from almost any country. What BWF is desperately trying to do, is enforce attendance. But they forgot to rationalize the calendar before doing that. There are just too many other events taking place during the year, the new Leagues, the regional tournaments, the list goes on...
01-13-2013, 02:36 PM #116
Has it ever crossed your mind that a sport's governing federation / body needs participants for it to have any meaning? Sure, they can implement this rule, but then if the top 4 / 5 countries don't participate at all and start their own cycle of tourneys, who do you think will lose out in the end? BWF or the rogue countries?
When you consider China and Japan (just to name two) have their own domestic badminton leagues & competitions, add the cup matches (thomas / uber + sudi) on top of it, AND WC every two years PLUS the SSP & SS matches and you can already imagine the headache the countries have to go thru to schedule training, rest and competition for their athletes to ensure they stay healthy for as long as possible.
This isn't just about the Chinese athletes, it's about all the athletes at the top of the pyramid. The further up you are, the more competitions you're expected to enter in this sport; and there comes a breaking point where you just have to stay screw it and not show up. CHN just gets the brunt of this criticism because they have a lot of players with a ranking high enough that must abide by this attendance rule.
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