2013 Controversies at Korean Open - forced withdrawals

**madbad** · 01-09-2013, 02:55 PM

I think all associations have the unofficial duty of doing what's best for the interest of the sport. Badminton is at a critical juncture at the moment in terms of commercial exposure. BWF is trying to promote the sport into more mainstream avenues but if associations aren't cooperative, sponsorship (current and potential) may dry up and we will lose the opportunity to bring it to a bigger stage. They need to see the bigger picture and understand if there is no commercial value in the sport, everyone loses.

**charedblack** · 01-09-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by betazone

It's ludicrous, BWF must be the only sports governing body that is scared of its members.

Actually if you look at cricket it has the same issue!
The pricks in India think they run the game and if they dont like something they sook about it!
At least they do it in the board room and not on the field or on the court!

Thats what I dont understand, is how China think doing things this way gets them a win! No one wins and the loser in this is Badminton and China dont seem to care......
China dont understand how to behave in an appropriate corporate environment.

**rogerv2** · 01-09-2013, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by kenjai7373

lyb is doing his best to protect his best players from injuries. chinese player has too many obligations than other countries. look how wang xin and wang lin ended up. the scheduling of mandatory events came at the wrong time, and also after an olympic year where theres hardly any rest for olympic players. if they dont show up, they will get fined and possibly be suspended so the best way was to show and withdraw. it sucks for the fans but probably the people complaining dont really care but just want to rant about china just like how chinese winning is killing the sport, but now withdrawing is making the sport a joke. i think posters know who they are so lets not go into a flame war

Yeah right. Withdrawing from Korea PSS and putting them in intensive training camp.
They have a higher chance of injury during the training.

**danielwong** · 01-09-2013, 08:15 PM

I can only say, what CHN did will sooner or later destroy the reputations of the sport....
national pride is important but overall it will kill the status of the sport as a game recognised worldwide....
the first blunder is during Olympic...of course some Walkover or injury here and there..

badminton will become a joker's sport

**liemsweeking** · 01-09-2013, 09:52 PM

[QUOTE=demolidor;2026566]There already is but you don't really think players from CHina or Korea or other big nations would join it do you ... ?

may i know the link (or full name) to the players' union (independant of bwf's countries associations)?

thanks

**nokh88** · 01-09-2013, 10:09 PM

We should have two threads, so that the comments are more direct :

1) Withdrawals and retirements of CHN players - Reasons : Injuries, to avoid fines, to throw matches (similar to OLY 12) and to help a fellow countryman, hehe.

2) Withdrawals and retiremants of Non CHN players - Reasons : Injuries and to avoid fines.

**Jagdpanther** · 01-09-2013, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by danielwong

I can only say, what CHN did will sooner or later destroy the reputations of the sport....
national pride is important but overall it will kill the status of the sport as a game recognised worldwide....
the first blunder is during Olympic...of course some Walkover or injury here and there..

badminton will become a joker's sport

Seeing the words in bold, could this one below be the real solution?

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do..."

[by John Lennon]

New World Order boleh!!!

**Borbor** · 01-09-2013, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by vixter

Of course it is their problem and duty to follow the rules of the sanctioning body, if they want to participate in the tour organised by this sanctioning body!

But it is allowed to be injured, that is an acceptable reason for not
participating.

If they really want to look after their players best why don't they let them stay home when they are not fit to play?

Which is what LYB did. He followed the rules. He sent the players to show up in order to avoid the fines, and then he sent them home citing injury to either have them rest or attend the training camp. Sending them home isn't breaking the rule is it?

They could've let them stayed home, but then the bill for them staying home would've probably cost more than the bill of sending them there and then sending them home after a day or two.

I don't understand the big deal over this. It's not like the red-yellow jerseys are the only people who does it. Yah I was looking fwd to a LCW - CL SSF MS F that never materialized, but big whooping deal. So they WD, but they'll be back at other tournaments.

**george@chongwei** · 01-09-2013, 10:53 PM

According to bwf's facebook, it was said that chen long and li xue rui suffered knee injury yesterday

And yeah, they can just only say out but no proof still, or at least with their own team's doctor proof?

**latecomer** · 01-09-2013, 11:23 PM

Top seeds withdrawal are good news for the rest of the field, it gives them a bigger chance to fight for the titles, to play one more round, to get more exposure, rather than watching from the sidelines. In the end , a title is a title even without, LD, LCW,CL,LX. Beside, I am tired of seeing the same names winning the titles times after times, plus, if players do not want to play, let them not to play. It is not fair for the remaining players who still giving their best trying to adding an title to their resume. Don't let them feel they are second tier players, anybody who love badminton should focus on the field than wasting time on those absentees.

**alana07** · 01-10-2013, 12:14 AM

you break the rules, according to the rules thrmselves.....

**|_Footwork_|** · 01-10-2013, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by alana07

you break the rules, according to the rules thrmselves.....

this!!!

if you set up a stupid rule, people will react accordingly!
if players have to show up even if they don't want to play, they will show up and throw the match.
it's just a stupid rule! players should be allowed to decide whether they want to play a certain tournament or not! give them incentives to go there and play, not fines if they don't go there!

it's been the same with the olympics: stupid incentives -> stupid reactions!

**hcyong** · 01-10-2013, 02:20 AM

No one broke any rules, but the spirit of competition in badminton suffered another hit.

Team orders suck.

**bdfreak87** · 01-10-2013, 02:34 AM

Maybe they retired due to injury (minor element), to avoid paying penalty and also to be the sparring partner for their teamates

**dieter_spath** · 01-10-2013, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by hcyong

No one broke any rules, but the spirit of competition in badminton suffered another hit.

Team orders suck.

I think everyone should blame BWF and it's stupid rules. You can never force a player to particiapte any matches by fines if he/she is not interested at all. They may really have injuries or some minor ones. The prize is rather low compared with tennis. The points for ranking is not enough. Even a player reaches semi he/she only gets nearlly same points as in GPG. GPG, of course, less intense than superseries primer.

**limsy** · 01-10-2013, 03:54 AM

if cba is out of badminton for one year,what will happen?
happy ending?sad ending?haha

**Loh** · 01-10-2013, 04:42 AM

It is sad to see so many retirements of China's top class players, a few of whom are likely to win their respective events in this tournament if they are in their best form.

But the players may actually be harbouring an injury but are forced to play because of current BWF penalty rules for absence. If so they are unlikely to perform at their best and most likely will lose in the early rounds. BWF doctors are supposed to confirm the players' injury condition before allowing withdrawals and retirements. This rule must have been met otherwise no official retirement is allowed. In this particular case, fans may unwittingly take it as LYB making a fool of BWF, but what he did was well within the rules it seems.

If you were in LYB's chief coach shoes, what would you do?

1. Retain the injured players at home to rest and recuperate and be prepared to pay a heavy fine?

2. Obey the BWF rules and let the injured players go through the motion and apply the retirement rule to safeguard the status quo, and pay less for the 'misadventure"?

3. Fans will naturally be disappointed, but is it fair to let the injured players suffer in pain and lose their matches ultimately and not regain their fitness in time for other tournaments?

In this Korea Open it must be assumed that the China retirements are authentic unless proven to be otherwise.

Maybe as suggested, BWF should study their existing rules more in-depth and introduce something less objectionable, more considerate and more practical in the interest of players, officials, countries, sponsors and fans.

It would appear that the current rules on this matter do not find general acceptance with member countries or at least with the most prolific badminton nation - China.