2013 Controversies at Korean Open - forced withdrawals

[Cheung]

You can't punish a player because of injuries, if someone injuries him/herself next week at the MO. are you going to ban him/her at the AE 2 months later?

Firstly, it's not a punishment. Preventing the player from a tournament in the next two weeks would be protecting the player from injuring themselves at a tournament. Note, that is a deliberate word - protection from injuring themselves.

And yes, i wasn't clear but a timeframe of say 2 weeks would be better than the next tournament. It's not perfect but it sounds reasonable. A player retiring with injury shouldn't be able to play in the following week because of the injury.

[craigandy]

I have to agree with you, cobalt. Every player has the same rights.

Back to BWF, I think it should adopt or learn something from tennis, especially the ranking points system. It’s sure not perfect even in tennis, but at least better than what in badminton. In tennis, that system reflects, more or less, some principle more like “you play more, you get more; you are better than others, you get more”. In my opinion, a rules or system like that leaves less room for people like LYB, and CBA players to execute malpractices or withdraws.

I think you have nailed it dieter. That is the closest you are going to get to a proper solution. To stop it getting ridiculous limit it to 12 -18 tournaments counted maybe? whatever works out having the most effect.

[Loh]

Remember too that these are professionals players. Give the chance, they would like to win as many titles, ranking points and prize monies that go with them if possible and not try to fake injury on purpose.

But if they are forced to play even when injured, their livelihood may end prematurely as the injury may become worse.

[limsy]

is that sooooo hard?
just play in 5 premium,1 wc and another 4 ss will do.
the stupid thing is people put the cart before the horse。
oh, we have the very taxing cbsl to play
we need to fly from beijing to guangdong,from shanghai to chengdu
oh,this is taxing.
we need to play 20 tournament a year,oh so tired.

so i hope bwf cancel all the pss/ss/gpg/gp tournament.
let every player play in their own country league will do.
then every player will never injured or walkover again.
woohoo
what a wonderful world.

[raymond]

Yeah right. Withdrawing from Korea PSS and putting them in intensive training camp.
They have a higher chance of injury during the training.

Are you making this up as we go? You sure you know what you're talking about?

[rogerv2]

Are you making this up as we go? You sure you know what you're talking about?

You must learn to make your point and not give general statements with no head or tail.

To answer in your style
- No & Yes

[shooting stroke]

is that sooooo hard?
just play in 5 premium,1 wc and another 4 ss will do.
the stupid thing is people put the cart before the horse。
oh, we have the very taxing cbsl to play
we need to fly from beijing to guangdong,from shanghai to chengdu
oh,this is taxing.
we need to play 20 tournament a year,oh so tired.

so i hope bwf cancel all the pss/ss/gpg/gp tournament.
let every player play in their own country league will do.
then every player will never injured or walkover again.
woohoo
what a wonderful world.

Yess......know we can ask them to play in the Modesliga for 2013/14 session. Sure Ted will love it.

[limsy]

we should follow suit how our mighty god of badminton do.
he play in cbsl despite annouanced 6 month off from international tournament.
this speak about the importancy and priority.
so hopefully bwf will dismiss this year

[raymond]

Is there an obligation for anyone/player/country to revolve around BWF?

[raymond]

You must learn to make your point and not give general statements with no head or tail.

To answer in your style
- No & Yes

Since you still don't get it, I'll make it explicit for you.

Your words: "Yeah right. Withdrawing from Korea PSS and putting them in intensive training camp.
They have a higher chance of injury during the training."

How do you know what kind of "intensive" training camp they would be in?

[rogerv2]

Since you still don't get it, I'll make it explicit for you.

Your words: "Yeah right. Withdrawing from Korea PSS and putting them in intensive training camp.
They have a higher chance of injury during the training."

How do you know what kind of "intensive" training camp they would be in?

Why dont you Google and browse badminton sites to find out what is happening in the China camp?
Dont waste my time.

[raymond]

Why dont you Google and browse badminton sites to find out what is happening in the China camp?
Dont waste my time.

No need to search. You're on the assumption they're all liars and/or don't know how to take care of themselves. I'm with the opinion that they're indeed injured, and they know how to take care of themselves.

Would you be correct? If you think I'm wasting your time, please, don't bother to respond.

[rogerv2]

Badminton may lose its place in Olympics, says Taufik

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.a...755&sec=sports

Excerpt from article:-

"Taufik said the slew of retirements and withdrawals at last week’s US$1mil Korean Open, the richest badminton tournament in the world, further damaged the sport’s image."

“The situation has worsened since I started playing badminton at the age of 15. The constant retirements of players do not augur well for the game. There is talk that badminton may not make it as a sport in the 2020 Olympics. We must bear in mind that other sports are strongly lobbying to be included.

“I have just started my own centre. It caters for eight or nine-year-olds. Now, I am not sure whether they will get a chance to play in the Olympics,” added Taufik.
What irked Taufik most was that the withdrawals and retirements still occurred despite the Badminton World Federation (BWF) taking a strong stance, especially during last year’s London Olympic Games. Four women’s doubles pairs were banned for “not using one’s best efforts to win a match”. The BWF also warned their affiliates over the constant walkovers on the tour.

[Jagdpanther]

^^^
I have a feeling some will comment on who said all those things instead of what he said. Let's see.

[rogerv2]

^^^
I have a feeling some will comment on who said all those things instead of what he said. Let's see.

Yup, we are all required to give explicit proof for their verification.

Anyway back to serious business, does anyone know when BWF is going to give any statement on this issue?

[cobalt]

Yup, we are all required to give explicit proof for their verification.

Anyway back to serious business, does anyone know when BWF is going to give any statement on this issue?

BWF is too busy with their elections and jostling and power-plays. They have no time just now for all these irrelevant, pesky little issues that people always blow out of proportion. To answer your Q, maybe around August 2016, is that OK with you, sir?

[rogerv2]

BWF is too busy with their elections and jostling and power-plays. They have no time just now for all these irrelevant, pesky little issues that people always blow out of proportion. To answer your Q, maybe around August 2016, is that OK with you, sir?

2016? I was hoping at least before the All England.
All the suggestions is in this thread. Maybe we should send them their next action options since they are too busy to think about this.