NEW: Fixed Height Experiment for Service

[craigandy]

My lowest rib is at 3ft 6in. Approx 1.0666m

Fair enough I must have short legs or low ribs

by the way the lowest rib we talk of in badminton, is it the small lowest rib that is almost completely on the side of your body?

[CantSmashThis]

Fair enough I must have short legs or low ribs

by the way the lowest rib we talk of in badminton, is it the small lowest rib that is almost completely on the side of your body?

From what I've learned through umpiring, your lowest rib is approx where your elbow is if you're standing straight with your arms at your sides.

[visor]

all this rib talk is making mapcar very hungry.

here let's see if I can help....

[CantSmashThis]

I would love to hear from players of all different heights as to how much of a difference this rule really makes in serving. Luckily for me, I would get an extra inch

[craigandy]

From what I've learned through umpiring, your lowest rib is approx where your elbow is if you're standing straight with your arms at your sides.

Thanks. just measured that 3'6" exactly for me too lol. No way is Boe serving from down there

[betazone]

this is bad for tall players, very awkward. But I think it's about time to introduce this definitive rule for serving

[Normal]

A line on the net makes a lot of sense. Could judge height from many angles ( except from where service judge sits. LOL)

"Badminton nets shall have a singles service-fault line, which shall be a horizontal yellow stripe 18 inches below the top of the net. When serving in singles, it shall be a fault if the shuttle is hit from above the service-fault line."

That is from a post made last year. The full post is here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...es-Key-Changes

[Normal]

Interesting. But still subjective unless they are going to use some laser measurer at the server's moment of impact.

I found this in the forum from last year.

"Badminton nets shall have a singles service-fault line, which shall be a horizontal yellow stripe 18 inches below the top of the net. When serving in singles, it shall be a fault if the shuttle is hit from above the service-fault line."

No permission to post the link

[kwun]

43" or 110cm for me. i am 6' or 183cm tall.

it appears the variation is not that much.

[craigandy]

43" or 110cm for me. i am 6' or 183cm tall.

it appears the variation is not that much.

lol so we are the same size and have the same measurement(to lowest rib), CST is 5" smaller and gets that same measurement how can this be? BWF have cunningly figured out that all rib cages sit the same distance off the ground?

[blableblibloblu]

im 6'1 and it goes about 3-4 cm under my bellybutton and I have pretty long legs compared to upper body
I don't really notice much of a difference as my serves have never been at the limit of the rule

[Line & Length]

I would hope that 110cm corresponds to the underside of the netting. Just as there is a white tape over the top of the netting, there could be a yellow tape around the bottom. Would possibly require an additional string and/or mounting positions on posts.

Even so, I can see some limitations:
1) The service judge currently sits behind the net, so wouldn't see the bottom of the netting. Courts would have to come with boards on the far side of the court in order for the judge to adjudicate.
2) The service judge's seat will have to be height-adjustable, so that their eye-line is exactly as 1.10m.
3) An alternative 'solution' would be to have the line judges at the rear of the receiver's court judging height, though surely they're far too far away?

Secondly, the rule would be nigh unenforceable for social, lower league matches. "lowest-rib" may give an advantage to taller players, but at least the receiver has some (albeit vague) reference.

Finally, what effect will this have on junior coaching. Will the very young learn to serve overarm & then have to constantly modify their technique as they grow?

[craigandy]

I would hope that 110cm corresponds to the underside of the netting.

Currently the underside of the net stands 78.5cm from the ground.

[AlanY]

They could marker the net post or give them a little pole to look at on same eyline. That would be fairly accurate

at the moment the dimension of the net from the tape to the bottom is serving no propose, i say just make the bottom of the net to the exact 1.1m above the floor. thus before the match the umpire can actually measure it (with the same stick they are using now but with an extra mark showing the 1.1m) and the service judge actually has a physical line to judge on.

[alexh]

You can read that rule here: http://bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14915 in the Amendments to GCR in track changes... then by clicking Laws of Badminton

Direct link to the download: http://bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=422706

...what effect will this have on junior coaching. Will the very young learn to serve overarm & then have to constantly modify their technique as they grow?

110cm is the maximum height allowed for the serve. Very young players will probably serve from a lower position.

[craigandy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAxqn7oVUqU

check it out 19:01. The pros are going to have to go down at least a foot from where they currently serve. Bearing in mind the new rule would have them serving 18inches below the top of net.

[AlanY]

i still think the fixed height is the way to go.
you don't see they adjust the basketball net to the averaged height of the team, nor the width of the football posts etc