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08-20-2013, 09:32 PM #137
You don't have the top of the net you have serve from "obviously under" or "obviously upward", that is not a point to compare, that does not exist that point, nobody knows where that point is, that point is an imagination, that point is not an identifiable point, that point could mean different thing to different people, that point is not quantifiable erm I am out of ways to put it.
On another note Just because it is Judged does not in anyway make a difference to whether the written rule is objective or not.
Last edited by craigandy; 08-20-2013 at 09:42 PM.
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08-20-2013, 11:03 PM #138
As I have pointed out repeatedly the "obvious" is only to shift the burden of proof and put pressure on the server to serve lower! Whether it does that or not is just a guess on my part and unimportant at the moment. I've already tried to show you why I think it is necessary language to include with regards to the limitations of human perception and judgement.
Because you want to interpret "obvious" counter to the way I intended and have explained, is why we have gone in circles. Look if I omitted the word obvious would you still have a problem with subjectivity of the rule "the serve must be hit in a upward direction"?
08-21-2013, 05:54 AM #139
08-21-2013, 06:31 AM #140
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08-21-2013, 06:38 AM #141
[/QUOTE]Because you want to interpret "obvious" counter to the way I intended and have explained, is why we have gone in circles. Look if I omitted the word obvious would you still have a problem with subjectivity of the rule "the serve must be hit in a upward direction"?[/QUOTE]
I am not interpreting "obvious" any which way, I am telling you it is not possible to interpret obvious.
And with regards to your question I already answered that, in fact it was me who suggested for it to be a revised version remember?
08-21-2013, 07:03 AM #142
I'm going to try to go back to basics here:
problem with the current rule - hard to distinguish the contact point for which to call a serve fault (too high).
potential alternative: serve must be hit upwards.
problem according to v1lau: it's not easy to judge between flat and slightly up.
proposed solution1: same rule, but judge can interpret differently. e.g. if judge is not sure shuttle is going up then he must call fault. Judge will only not call a fault when he is sure the shuttle is going upwards.
This just means the judge can 'legally' make mistakes. It has not removed the error of human perception.
proposed solution2: When serving, it is the player's responsibility to satisfy the judge that the shuttle's initial trajectory is upwards.
This practically identical to solution1.
In summary: v1lau, your proposal does not remove human error. It does not fix anything. It just makes the judge infallible.
08-21-2013, 07:18 AM #143
Look if I omitted the word obvious would you still have a problem with subjectivity of the rule "the serve must be hit in a upward direction"?
In post #107 2 days ago I told you "fair enough" if no obvious in the rule. You said that was exactly your rule but reverted to using obvious in your rule every time. What is the deal here? for something that should have been a quick thank you for pointing out this can't work as a rule, we are at this point.
There is something fishy going on here. Is there something we should know about you?
08-21-2013, 09:22 AM #144
well well well there's only one way out of this
Tee-Ball stands that fall back into the mat once you hit the serve hahahaha
08-21-2013, 10:50 AM #145
08-21-2013, 01:36 PM #146
^ Lol! What's the story behind this?
08-21-2013, 01:57 PM #147
It's a bus lane where the bollards are controlled by radio(?) signal/transmitter on the buses. If you don't have the signal, you're not getting through. Evidently, someone thought they could outsmart the bollards!
08-24-2013, 01:25 AM #148
another way would be to mount a horizontally level camera at 110cm
08-24-2013, 08:01 AM #149
08-24-2013, 09:32 AM #150
How about putting two sheets of glasses in front of the service judge? Draw red lines on them respectively at 110cm. Will that work?
08-24-2013, 04:36 PM #151
08-24-2013, 05:23 PM #152
Haha Why would I need to google laser level, I know what that is I just didn't know what you were referring to with "pen sized thing". Many problems with shining a laser at players, not gonna work.
I don't think the solution is hard as stated before, the serve judges cubicle could be walled at 1.1 meter and just have a chin rest to hunker down on whilst serve is happening, if you see the shuttle contact then fault, this would be accurate and calibrated . A more basic solution is just have a 1.1m stick with a t bar on top, move it about where you want with a (adjustable) chin ledge on the shaft.
All this string, net post markings is gonna require too much eyeballing rather than accuracy as no calibration.
If no calibration you might aswell just keep the current inconsistently judged rule
Last edited by craigandy; 08-24-2013 at 05:28 PM.