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    so who need lin dan in wc?
    we have chen long now

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    yes, but he is a crowd puller and the home fans definitely like to see the world's best 2 players, CL and LD flight it out in the final.

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    LYB knows that Du and Chen Jin don't have the ability to hurt LCW, Wang ZM can if he's wanting to play properly.

    I'd take Chen Long and Lin Dan over 3 china players anyway...

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    Yeah, for me too, It'll be great to see a Lin Dan vs Chen Long Final and you can be sure they will fight tooth and nail for the title of World Champion.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way implying that Chen Long will beat Lee CW should they meet again in the final;in fact I think it should be a 50-50 match. I believe at the moment Chen Long is very likely on par with Lee CW, not yet superior to him, and assuming it's their third meeting in a row, the likelihood of Chen Long winning won't be higher than the previous two encounters - even Lin Dan didn't beat Lee CW every time, only most of the time, about 3 out of every 4 meetings based on past records.

    Anyway, it might surprised you to read that Li Yongbo has the other day expressed that if Lin Dan is still not up to speed after returning to the national training center, he might not field him in the Sudirman Cup and the World Championship. That's LYB for you - like it or not, he is a brave,very capable, hard-nosed, pragmatic Head Coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    yes, but he is a crowd puller and the home fans definitely like to see the world's best 2 players, CL and LD flight it out in the final.
    really?
    lin dan often complain the crowd cheer for lee chong wei but not him in china
    no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    the rules regarding qualification are clear,
    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=422679&tid=1

    but the article in thestar are full of errors/misinformation!
    China can only field 3 players with Lin Dan if he stays above rank 24 by the end of qualification.

    if LD drop to 25 say in April and China can only enter 2 players to include him, i.e. 2 instead of 3 entries.
    Okay, I'll admit that you are almost certainly correct about the Star article containing misinformation. However, I disagree about the rules being clear . After all, what is the point of mentioning 9-24 when the limit of 3 players is if they are ranked somewhere between 1 and 24? That detail is very confusing. It actually makes it look as if you could field 9 players if you had, say, the #1, #3, #7, #8, #17, #21, #24, #72, and #149, even though we know that's not what they mean.
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    ^^ yeah, that rule has always applied I thought. It's a matter of getting players into the ranking spaces, then choosing which ones you want to take.

    Malaysia did this when they didn't select Gan/Tan and chose Hoon/Zakry instead...
    I now see that this is not actually what happened. Malaysia only had 2 pairs ranked in the top 24 so that gave them the right to choose only 2 from the top 150. They had a right to choose Hoon/Zakry as their second pair but China fielding Lin Dan at #25 as a 3rd entry would be equivalent to Malaysia having chosen Chan Chong Ming / Lee Wan Wah (WR#153) as their 2nd pair in 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by event View Post
    Malaysia only had 2 pairs ranked in the top 24 so that gave them the right to choose only 2 from the top 150. They had a right to choose Hoon/Zakry as their second pair but China fielding Lin Dan at #25 as a 3rd entry would be equivalent to Malaysia having chosen Chan Chong Ming / Lee Wan Wah (WR#153) as their 2nd pair in 2011.
    i think this is not strictly true. let say MAS has no 1,2 and 150. if they decided to drop 1 or 2 then no 150 may not be eligible. Rule 3.2.3 states that Players / pairs ranked in the BWF ranking list for each event will be considered in turn and are eligible to enter.

    The 48 places should certainly filled before they reach no 150!

    The member associations have a choice to choose only if their players are eligible according to the qualification lists by the end of April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    i think this is not strictly true. let say MAS has no 1,2 and 150. if they decided to drop 1 or 2 then no 150 may not be eligible. Rule 3.2.3 states that Players / pairs ranked in the BWF ranking list for each event will be considered in turn and are eligible to enter.

    The 48 places should certainly filled before they reach no 150!

    The member associations have a choice to choose only if their players are eligible according to the qualification lists by the end of April.
    The way I understand the rules, the association has the right to choose, the slot still belongs to the country. BUT they need to be listed as eligible or reserve in BWF's list.

    Gan/TBS were no 16, KKK/TBH no 4, Fairuz/OSH no 27. CPS/LKW no 28, Goh Wei Shem no 29. Zakry/Hoon were no 31.
    BAM chose KKK/TBH and Zakry/Hoon over Gan/TBS, Fairuz/OSH,CPS/LKW, GWS/Teo which was what pissed off Gan/TBS as independent players.

    Later, due to withdrawal from other countries, Chan Peng Soon/Lim Khim Wah were added, they were no 28. At the time CPS/LKW had already split up but were listed as one of the 32 reserves for MD.

    So, yeah, strictly speaking, BAM could not choose no 4(KKK/TBH) and no 149 as the 2 pairs. It would have been between no 1 to 35 or thereabouts for Asian country.

    For European countries, it may be true as they have fewer players/pairs
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    Let's face it, whatever the rules are, LYB knows them and knows how to use them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    so who need lin dan in wc?
    we have chen long now
    China needs Lin Dan in WC. still better to have 2 arrows than only 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    China needs Lin Dan in WC. still better to have 2 arrows than only 1
    Arrows ! Good analogy and both capable of hitting the bull's eye. To be honest, in my opinion, even with Lin Dan far from his best, he's still better than any of the CHN 3rd MS be it Du PY, Chen Jin, WZM. And what's the World Championship without Lin Dan, the defending champion to boot.

    If I were Chen Long or LCW, I would very much want to beat him for the title whatever his form, at the very least have him competing even if he got knocked out by someone else,doesn't matter, not my fault - I would never want to be known as 'the 2013 WC because Lin Dan didn't play'.

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    So there's people out there that think Chen Long vs Lin Dan in the final will be exciting? Well, I suppose different audience have different taste in badminton matches. I for one, almost fell asleep watching them play . You can judge for yourself here.



    If those two are really in the final of world championship, congratulation! But I will certainly switch channels to something slightly more interesting...like soap opera .

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    As mentioned before, I don't watch CHN vs CHN matches. They are either boring or fakes.

    FYI, I didn't click "play" on the above video.

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    Simple logic,objective fact. If the WC Final is contested between Chen Long and Lin Dan, the title is already China's, nothing else at stake, no other thing to consider be it ranking points, Olympic qualification,whatever. It becomes less a match of CHN vs CHN but more a Battle of the Titans, the Challenger vs the Defending Champion, the two best players in the world fighting to be World Champion, simple as that. And I'm damn sure they both want to win it badly - one to announce 'My time has come', the other to prove 'I'm still The Best'.

    What's more, I don't expect Chen Long today to be still so in awe of his more illustrious teammate, to respect him too much as to let him win by sheer respect, no more to that extent. We've all witnessed how Chen Long dealt with the Mighty Lee CW in their last two encounters,need I say more.

    Besides, Chen Long,like everyone else,has seen what magnificent accolades,what incomparable achievements, esp the second Olympic gold won by Lin Dan, the same most-coveted medal that he himself was vying for but which slipped by him as he had to settle for bronze, not for lack of trying, but, for reasons best known to himself,for failing to play his best badminton at the time when he needed it most. This lesson, and the much more painful one in 2011 WC where he was sensationally humbled in R1 to suffer a humiliating defeat at the hands of a certain Guatemalan, Kevin Cordon, whose name he will never forget - both are lessons which will not be lost on him, never I believe.

    What makes you think Chen Long has no such ambitions, no dreams of his own, to claim what is rightfully his when he has the recognised abilities and deserves it, that he is content to live in Super Dan's shadow forever ? Ask him. Why bother to strive to beat Lee CW then if he himself is not interested to be world champion and/or Olympic champion one day. And,yes,for that he will strive to beat Lin Dan too.

    For me personally, I'm always full of admiration and grateful to China for her immense contributions to world badminton. I simply cannot imagine what badminton will be like without China. She, to a large extentt, sets and raises the standards for years if not decades, beginning with the time of Zhao Jianhua and Yang Yang to the present day with Lin Dan, and in other disciplines, WS, WD, in no small measure. And it's not just her players but the coaching standards too which has undeniably benefited many other countries. I trust BWF, the tournament organizers and the big-time sponsors see things more clearly and in a better perspective than the partisan fans.

    Allow me to repeat here what I posted in Chen Long's thread as it is relevant: If I may apply Arsene Wenger's warning to Europe not to be jealous of English dominance in soccer to Chinese dominance in badminton: "The standards are really high here and the ones who lift the standards should be admired, should be followed and copied, and not be the victim of jealousy, for example."

    Actually, I always smile to myself whenever I come across any of those China hating and bashing on the slightest pretext, for on the one hand they won't pass up any opportunity to put CHN down,but on the other hand, they openly wish and even vie to have CHN coaches train their own kind to beat the Chinese players, to cause their downfall. The smart,sensible and wise ones know that jealousy,sour grapes,narrow-mindedness,prejudices, bigotries and hypocrisies are self-defeating, self-destructive, and self-demeaning - for the only way (and I've repeated this many times) to beat the Chinese is to be better than them on the badminton court..

    Enough said. Haiz, why bother myself so much. Just in case,no ad hominem arguments, please.

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    That was a very long comment.

    My view is that there are several types of people, there are some who is just anti-China, some who is against the domination of a single country in badminton, some who just do not like the dirty tactics in order to maximise the Olympic medal chances and lastly there are people who does not belong to that 3 types.

    This is not a thread to discuss China bashing or hating because it is a thread on whether Lin Dan will play in WC but I think I will comment a bit on that.

    I grew up watching and admiring Zhao Jianhua and Yang Yang. I like China badminton in the 80s. In the 90s, the power shifted to Indonesia leading, mostly in men singles and men doubles while China still leading the women.

    What I don't like lately is the Olympic over emphasis, especially CBA goals that clearly work towards achieving that and in the process anger many people.

    Back to the World Championship 2013, it is almost unlikely for Lin Dan to be in top 24 by the end of qualification time so he forces CBA to make the difficult decision.

    Whatever decision CBA makes, I think they will not make the wrong one(they have been proven right in the past in their selection, i.e Li Xuerui in Olympics, not bringing Wang Yihan in Asian Games).

    If Lin Dan is fit, I think CBA will choose LD and CL, if not, they will choose CL and 2 other players.

    I like what CBA did, they always chose the performing players, unlike some other national association in the past where they kept relying on the same talent, irregardless whether the players are in the right mindset or the right stamina.

    In the end, I wrote again what will destroy China badminton is not the bashing by other countries. They might lose their dominant status in future but it will be through their own internal problem.

    As for some who wish China coaches to train other countries in order for other countries to catch up, I think that will not matter too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    As mentioned before, I don't watch CHN vs CHN matches. They are either boring or fakes.

    FYI, I didn't click "play" on the above video.
    yeah, you're right. not to mention if the match is the final one. watching China already won the title, whoever the player, surely will make a lot of anti-China fans feeling heart-ache.

    but what to say? the CHN vs CHN matches will still going on as long as players from another countries still not able to challenge them yet. still, given the result in AE 2013, the development of badmintoon seems promising. let's just wait and see what will happen in the future.

    afterall, CHN vs CHN matches still have its bright side, at least for you. it means you will have more time to watch another channel/show/programme instead badminton. is not that good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post
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    but what to say? the CHN vs CHN matches will still going on as long as players from another countries still not able to challenge them yet. still, given the result in AE 2013, the development of badmintoon seems promising. let's just wait and see what will happen in the future.

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    Agree. this post (# 749) here at : http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...2013%29/page45
    by nizze is very constructive and good to take note.

    Actually there were some matches worth watching, like a few years ago in the final between ZN and XXF where both go all out to win. Sorry, can't remember which tournament.

    On the opposite side, I watched live in the stadium (and very close to the action) a match between LD and CJ where the former just played to lose so that the latter can win ranking points.

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