Lee HI passed Chen Hong as the leader in collecting Olympic ranking points

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  1. 2cents

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    Now Chen Hong has collected 2118 points for the Olympics 2004, and Lee HI has 2151+ points which put him at the top.

    Lin Dan has 1986+ as the third, and Bao CL has 1743+ has the distant fourth.

    If Lin wins the Hong Kong title, he will pass Chen Hong as the second, otherwise, he remains the third. Bao CL stays the fourth no matter how he performs at Hong Kong open.
     
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    Top 16 runners in points:

    Lee HI 2151
    ChenH 2118
    Lin D 1986 +-> 2142
    Bao CL 1743 +-> 1905
    Shon 1692
    Xia X 1452 +-> 1604
    Wong 1407
    ChenY 1332
    Roslin 1329
    Susilo 1314
    Ng 1293
    Sony 1170
    Hafiz 1149
    Lee CW 1143
    Taufik 1047
    Gade 0966
    Jonassen 0873
    LeeTS 0780

    Money learders (in thousands US dollars)

    Chen 35.95
    Xia 30.875 +-> 45.875
    Lin Dan 26.95 +-> 41.95
    Lee HI 21.2
    Wong 18.65
    Taufik 16.575
    Bao 15.75 +-> 30.75
    ChenYu 15.575
    Shon 12.375
    Roslin 9.525
    Lee CW 8.775
    Sony 7.975
    Susilo 7.0325
    Ng 6.4
    Hafiz 5.875
    Jonassen 5.475
    Gade 4.9
    Wu 3.7
    LeeTS 3.4
     
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    Money Earner

    How did you know or calculate these players' earnings?
     
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    Re: Money Earner

    Prize money are regulated by the IBF and published on related newspaper and IBF web sites also.
     
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    Thks, 2 cents. You are keeping track? I mean you are adding them up at each tournment or is there a website for you to see?
     
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    Polsana rushes into top 16

    Polsana did pretty good at Germany open, before that he always lost in the earliest two rounds in all Olympic qualifying events. Now this time, he is doing even much, much better. I have to kick Lee TS out of the list

    Points Leaders:

    Lee HI 2151
    ChenHong 2118
    Lin Dan 2067
    Bao 1743
    Shon 1692
    Xia 1452
    Wong 1407
    ChenYu 1332
    Roslin 1329
    Susilo 1314
    Ng 1293
    Sony 1170
    Hafiz 1149
    Lee CW 1143
    Polsana 1077 (was 618 before HK open)
    Taufik 1047
    Gade 966
    Jonassen 873

    Prize leaders:

    ChenHong 35.95
    Lin Dan 31.95
    Xia 30.875
    Lee HI 21.2
    Wong 18.65
    Taufik 16.575
    Bao 15.75
    ChenYu 15.575
    Shon 12.375
    Polsana 11.65 (was 1.65 before HK open)
    Roslin 9.525
    Lee CW 8.775
    Sony 7.975
    Susilo 7.0325
    Ng 6.4
    Hafiz 5.875
    Jonassen 5.475
    Gade 4.9
     
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    This is impressive. I wonder if the players are interested in this. Maybe they already have somebody calculating it out already.
     
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    There should be totally 16 one star and above tournaments for Olympics qualifications. Hong Kong open is the 8th in the time order. So it is exactly the half way in the race. The points they got so far are listed as following:

    Lee HI ……………. 2151
    Lin Dan ……………. 2148
    Chen H ……………. 2118
    Bao ……………. 1743
    Shon ……………. 1692
    Xia ……………. 1533
    Wong ……………. 1407
    ChenYu ……………. 1332
    Roslin ……………. 1329
    Susilo ……………. 1314
    Ng ……………. 1293
    Sony ……………. 1170
    Hafiz ……………. 1149
    Lee CW ……………. 1143
    Polsana ……………. 1077
    Taufik ……………. 1047
    Gade ……………. 966
    Jonassen ……………. 873
    LeeTS ……………. 780

    Lee HI, Lin D, Chen H are very close in points. Although Lee is now at the 1st place, only 10 best records will be counted, so at the end, he might collect too many useless points. He's number 1 because he played more tournaments (all 8 tournaments). His biggest points from a single event were from Singapore open, and Indonesia open, where he got 336 each for reaching the semi-finals. While Chen Hong has 480, 408, and 420 in the south east asia trip, any of them has more points than Lee's biggest contribution.

    So if we only count the best 5, here is the list:

    Chen H ……………. 1902
    Lin Dan ……………. 1851
    Lee HI ……………. 1569
    Bao ……………. 1503
    Xia ……………. 1458
    Wong ……………. 1407
    Shon ……………. 1305
    ChenYu ……………. 1257
    Roslin ……………. 1194
    Sony ……………. 1170
    Lee CW ……………. 1143
    Susilo ……………. 1140
    Ng ……………. 1053
    Taufik ……………. 1047
    Hafiz ……………. 981
    Polsana ……………. 981
    Gade ……………. 924
    Jonassen ……………. 873
    LeeTS ……………. 750

    This way, Chen Hong and Lin Dan are the top 2. And there are 4 Chinese in the top 5 positions.

    If count 4 best performances:

    Chen H ……………. 1638
    Lin Dan ……………. 1611
    Xia ……………. 1338
    Wong ……………. 1332
    Bao ……………. 1293
    Lee HI ……………. 1272
    ChenYu ……………. 1152
    Shon ……………. 1140
    Roslin ……………. 1074
    Sony ……………. 1050
    Taufik ……………. 1047
    Lee CW ……………. 1023
    Susilo ……………. 960
    Polsana ……………. 921
    Ng ……………. 888
    Jonassen ……………. 873
    Gade ……………. 864
    Hafiz ……………. 831
    LeeTS ……………. 708

    By this calculation, all top three are Chinese, Chen Hong, Lin Dan and Xia Xuanze. Lee HI is out of top 5.

    If count only 3 best results:

    Lin Dan ……………. 1356
    Chen H ……………. 1308
    Xia ……………. 1170
    Wong ……………. 1140
    Bao ……………. 1062
    ChenYu ……………. 1032
    Lee HI ……………. 972
    Shon ……………. 948
    Taufik ……………. 912
    Roslin ……………. 882
    Sony ……………. 858
    Lee CW ……………. 831
    Polsana ……………. 816
    Susilo ……………. 768
    Jonassen ……………. 753
    Gade ……………. 744
    Ng ……………. 720
    Hafiz ……………. 663
    LeeTS ……………. 648

    Wow, all 5 Chinese are ahead of Lee HI, and Lin Dan will be the number one.

    The reason for these discrepency is the draw. IBF always wants Chinese players collide each other as early as possible. In Hong Kong Open, 5 Chinese are all ranked. The earliest possible round to collide is in the 3rd round. Then they let 4 Chinese fight each other in the 3rd round. Lin Dan was lucky because there is no 6th ranked Chinese.

    As in all the tounaments, as long as Chinese have 3 spots in top 4, the fourth quadrant will always not accept other Chinese (mostly Xie Xing fang), and Camila Martin always in that quadrant. If only one event, it's okay, because the chance is (1/4)*(3/4)= 0.1875. But for all 6 tournaments (except Holland open which had no Chinese, and Germany open which Chinese occupied all top 4 seeds), the chance is only 0.00004

    Last, the prize money leaders:

    Lin Dan ……………. 41.95
    Chen H ……………. 35.95
    Xia ……………. 30.875
    Lee HI ……………. 21.2
    Wong ……………. 18.65
    Taufik ……………. 16.575
    Bao ……………. 15.75
    ChenYu ……………. 15.575
    Shon ……………. 12.375
    Polsana ……………. 11.65
    Roslin ……………. 9.525
    Lee CW ……………. 8.775
    Sony ……………. 7.975
    Susilo ……………. 7.0325
    Ng ……………. 6.4
    Hafiz ……………. 5.875
    Jonassen ……………. 5.475
    Gade ……………. 4.9
     
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    this is absolutely jaw-dropping.
    Awesome!!:cool:
     
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    Thanks for the encouragments. Let's share more insights about badminton games.
     
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    2cents, i assume the data posted takes into account the results of the recent HK Open?
     
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    You are right. The list was updated in the same pace as the real time games going. The last one was calculated after the HK final.

    After the China open, badminton will go off season. I am wondering why Wong CH, Lee TS, Lee CW skipped so important 6 star HK open?
     
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    thanks 2cents, i would expect you to be very up-to-date. but just want to confirm to be sure.

    not sure why Wong skipped it. but i read that Misbun felt that Lee and Lee are not up to the form and fitness to play badminton so they were left at home. as to why Misbun thinks Hafiz and Roslin are in form, that's just beyond my comprehension.
     
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    I think that is a good question. actually, I could see the logic of only playing 2 rather than 3 tournaments, and playing the 2nd, 3rd tournament (because other competitors might become tired for the 3rd one if they had played 3)[.:rolleyes: anybody follow that?]. Seems that Lee CW is the most unlucky one becuase he reached the final of the M'sian Open and that set up a good basis to gain more point. Don't know if he is playing in the China Open but it seems a little risky to bank on gaining many points from one tournamnet (if he is playing in China).
     
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    I think Misben make a mistake about the abence of WONG CH and Lee CW in hongkong open.

    I don't think Lee CW can get enough points in China open.Because many talent young chinese ms players will run for china open.I think they will make some impressive upset in China open.
     

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