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    Quote Originally Posted by Higher View Post
    Actually, I did not refer you who were "blaming" in my post, that "blaming" refer to some previous posts who seems blatantly to blame LD alone to "do it again and again". That I quoted your post which make the impression. My apology for that.
    Cool. Apology not necessary, though. Many people do like to think it's all about the CBA and/or LD, but it's not. Your post gave me the opportunity to amplify my position, actually!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Just now i have seen that Lindan has given walkover to his teammate.. Lol. Then why should he need to play here just to give away walkover like this..??
    and just now i have remembered that Saina once retired when she nearly finished game 2 of the final match (for her victory if i remember correctly? i am sorry if i made mistake here).. Lol. then why should she need to play there just to give away retirement like that?

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    about LD and his walkovers, it would be very hard to accept any reason now for all already happen till today. in the end, i think it should back the each people on how they will see this particular problem in badminton. while A will have his own opinion, so does B. each of them should freely stand their chosen side. but still, it won't guarantee that one person opinion/believe is the real truth as what we believed/think is not always happen to be the real fact.

    if you ask me am i believe in the presence of team order, particularly in that one team, i think i must! but is that team order must took part in every single case of CBA players WOs, i think that is another case as players did sometimes get injuries. which one reason came with a WOs, the team order or real injuries, we will hardly ever know the real reason. so while the real reason remains a puzzle, just let people believe what they want, and like to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post
    and just now i have remembered that Saina once retired when she nearly finished game 2 of the final match (for her victory if i remember correctly? i am sorry if i made mistake here).. Lol. then why should she need to play there just to give away retirement like that?
    Well, match practice surely. I would like to see some of his matches, whether he played 3sets on purpose to improve his stamina (what would be super sick if he is already back to form) or just needs more time to get back to his form...

    Edit: Wanted multiquote scorpions post, no idea why it didnīt work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post
    and just now i have remembered that Saina once retired when she nearly finished game 2 of the final match (for her victory if i remember correctly? i am sorry if i made mistake here).. Lol. then why should she need to play there just to give away retirement like that?

    Is this what you meant.....?

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    No offense for SN's fans, but I wonder why, too, because it is very strange and rare, indeed. I wonder if such case ever happened before. I am really curious.


    Off topic, anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Yes, all the justification for walkovers and stuff is all very fine, but it must be asked: where's the integrity? Or is badminton forever destined to become a tool?

    Regardless of what a lot of people think, I am now of the firm opinion that LD should announce his retirement without delay. He has nothing to gain by continuing this way, but eventually and very possibly, a lot to lose. It is better that people remember the giant he was than the shadow he will inevitably become.

    There are numerous examples of great and legendary sportsmen in many sports and disciplines who walked away when they could with their dignity intact, and allowed the flow of nature to fill the void, and give an unhindered chance for others to step up and bloom. Life presents many more and often more demanding and significant issues than virtual enslavement to a sport. LD needs to venture out into life now.
    Oh, you mean your post above isn't specifically about Lin Dan? That your first paragraph highlighted above stands alone,separate and to be delinked from the rest of the post? I wonder how many readers see it that way.

    Then you not only call for Lin Dan's retirement but forewarn that "by continuing this way", he will end up being remembered for the "shadow he will inevitably become", including walking away "when they could with their dignity intact" - sorry,have I misread you? Perhaps I read too much into your posts, I beg your pardon then.

    Conceding a walkover is to you not a minor but a major issue, one that calls into question the doer's integrity, whatever the reason injury or not, and can even bring discredit to a player's achievement. Hmm, the list of players who conceded walkovers is "out of context" because Lin Dan's a special case to be singled out?! A player has no right to decide for himself whether to play or not, he must play even at risk of injuring himself or aggravating his minor injury or even when he simply don't wish to as happened before to certain players?

    And in all this, what role does BWF play? The onus is only on the player and/or the member association to be responsible for their actions, surely not. Of course not, BWF as the world governing body has the authority and is duty-bound to deal with any violation of the rules or wrongdoings committed and if they fail to do so, they stand guilty of connivance ,dereliction of duty and of complicity. That's the reason for my saying this topic of 'walkovers' is a distraction, as not within our ambit to tackle it.

    Lastly, I'm indeed nobody to champion Lin Dan's cause or sing his praises which is why I quoted the pronouncements of his famous contemporaries, viz LHI, PG and LCW.

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    Honestly, I would refrain from bringing in other players' walkovers/retirements for fear of leading the topic on and on needlessly and to no useful purpose, particularly when you've to deal with closed,sectarian minds,prejudices and bigotries.

    It's advisable not to be the pot calling the kettle black and bear in mind that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    Oh, you mean your post above isn't specifically about Lin Dan? That your first paragraph highlighted above stands alone,separate and to be delinked from the rest of the post? I wonder how many readers see it that way.
    Exactly. If you had cared to read the continuity of posts, you would have realised that it was a response to the post by renbo. Maybe you were too busy...

    Then you not only call for Lin Dan's retirement but forewarn that "by continuing this way", he will end up being remembered for the "shadow he will inevitably become", including walking away "when they could with their dignity intact" - sorry,have I misread you? Perhaps I read too much into your posts, I beg your pardon then.
    Correct. Read above. Continuing this way, means you will need to read post #589 for further amplification. You haven't "misread" me. You just haven't read me completely at all. But that's quite all right. No one has the time to go through interminable phrases and lectures. Right?

    Conceding a walkover is to you not a minor but a major issue, one that calls into question the doer's integrity, whatever the reason injury or not, and can even bring discredit to a player's achievement. Hmm, the list of players who conceded walkovers is "out of context" because Lin Dan's a special case to be singled out?! A player has no right to decide for himself whether to play or not, he must play even at risk of injuring himself or aggravating his minor injury or even when he simply don't wish to as happened before to certain players?
    In your frantic attempt to find me out, you're as usual, conveniently overlooking my other amplicifations such as in post #588. I had written in plain English and I'm sure it did not escape you, but just in case it did, here it is again:
    "My note about LD's retirement has nothing to do with the larger issue of the future of badminton. Walkovers, withdrawals, etc etc are the symptoms of a malady of incomplete vision, insufficient conviction and opportunistic action."
    Try not to misrepresent my sentences, please. You're doing it all too often.

    And in all this, what role does BWF play? The onus is only on the player and/or the member association to be responsible for their actions, surely not. Of course not, BWF as the world governing body has the authority and is duty-bound to deal with any violation of the rules or wrongdoings committed and if they fail to do so, they stand guilty of connivance ,dereliction of duty and of complicity. That's the reason for my saying this topic of 'walkovers' is a distraction, as not within our ambit to tackle it.
    Again, read post #588 and stop putting your foot in your mouth, Justin. You're actually more intelligent than that, but your ego won't let you stop. AMBIT??? EVERYTHING that has to do with badminton concerns us! If not, why are you here? Just to pass judgement or to browbeat other members whose ideas don't suit your agenda? Exactly what suggestions or positive constructs have you brought to the table of late? I really appreciate the efforts you have taken in the translations on many of the China players' threads, but apart from that, sadly, I cannot think of much else.

    Lastly, I'm indeed nobody to champion Lin Dan's cause or sing his praises which is why I quoted the pronouncements of his famous contemporaries, viz LHI, PG and LCW.
    Let's get one thing straight. If someone were to ask another international player publicy what he/she thought about Lin Dan, what exactly would you expect that player to say??? So, constantly parroting what the other players have said really is a waste of time - we all know LD is a champion player- only you need to somehow remind yourself of that fact every now and then. In public. And at length.

    The fact is, you are actually alarmed that someone has the nerve to suggest that LD retire. Don't worry, Justin. LD will retire when the energies in this universe want him to. Then, neither you nor I will be able to stop it. For his sake though, I hope it happens sooner than later. But you won't understand this. If you want to, though, feel free to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    Honestly, I would refrain from bringing in other players' walkovers/retirements for fear of leading the topic on and on needlessly and to no useful purpose, particularly when you've to deal with closed,sectarian minds,prejudices and bigotries.

    It's advisable not to be the pot calling the kettle black and bear in mind that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
    Totally agree. And if I may add: it even includes using the "Like" button judiciously. But then again, that could just be me being pompous or over-critical...

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    The only real solution is for other countries to step up and make it less likely for Chinese players to meet in QF, SF, F, I thought we worked out this argument pre-Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Try not to misrepresent my sentences, please. You're doing it all too often.

    Just to pass judgement or to browbeat other members whose ideas don't suit your agenda? Exactly what suggestions or positive constructs have you brought to the table of late? I really appreciate the efforts you have taken in the translations on many of the China players' threads, but apart from that, sadly, I cannot think of much else.

    So, constantly parroting what the other players have said really is a waste of time - we all know LD is a champion player- only you need to somehow remind yourself of that fact every now and then. In public. And at length.
    Like these sentences so much

    Indeed....there's no need to constantly remind us (in various threads, various posts, at great lengths!) who Lin Dan is! We all know he's the only badminton player to have ever won 2 Olympics Gold Medals, several World Championships, All England titles, Asian Games Gold Medal, Sudirman & Thomas Cups, and other countless titles!

    But that still doesn't hide the fact that he is the King of WOs! IMHO, I believe no other player has given or has received WOs from his fellow countrymen as many as our beloved Lin Dan is! limsy will gladly provide the data in this aspect and correct me if I am wrong!

    As for withdrawals involving other countries, again, there are only few cases compared to that done (albeit legally) by the all-mighty and powerful China, helmed by the ever so great and intelligent Li Yongbo!

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    gentlemen. just a reminder.

    keep the discussion going but keep it civil and nice, ok?

    it is friday afterall and it is 5pm. i am getting outta here and going home.

    have a wonderful weekend and look forward to the BAC semi/finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    gentlemen. just a reminder.

    keep the discussion going but keep it civil and nice, ok?

    it is friday afterall and it is 5pm. i am getting outta here and going home.
    Don't worry boss, we won't create trouble Anyway, there's cobalt to monitor this thread :P

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    Have a nice weekend! The last 2 days promise some cracking match-ups, and I'm really looking forward to them!

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    The WZM - Du match is a revenge from the swiss open. It is a fight for the "second youth", after the king of the mountain CL.

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    Fran Kurniawan/Shendy Puspa Irawati have a good chance of reaching another GPG Final. If they can do it, it means a small progress for this pair.

    As for Gebby Ristiyani Imawan/Tiara Rosalia Nuraidah, they have exceeded every expectation and if they can force Ma Jin/Tang Jinhua to rubber-set, it will be a tremendous achievement!

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    u can write a phd thesis here
    but u cant denied lindan received and gave the most walkover in badminton history.
    this is fact while what u write is only personal opinion.

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