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    It's like an insult to him. lol.

    Marc Zweibler (Int) (Men's Singles) 15,000

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    PBSI did not auction any of his players to IBL....saying Sony or Tommy unsold was not true

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    It's called karma. They probably dun want anyone with such poor sportsmanship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    It's called karma. They probably dun want anyone with such poor sportsmanship.
    There may be some truth in the above comment.

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    Immature and very very unprofessional . Does IBL in anyway relates to any tournaments(indian open superseries, GPG etc) conducted in india?? . Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    It's called karma. They probably dun want anyone with such poor sportsmanship.
    Why on earth would someone cook their own goose by opening his yap in this manner. God knows how many future opportunities he has killed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    It's like an insult to him. lol.

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    Frankly I don't how the obvious disparity in income between local players and some of the higher ranked foreign players (except LCW) can continue to the next series of IBL, especially if the foreign players contribute more winning points.

    Foreign players will certainly feel short changed if they know that lower ranked players are paid more. I suspect they are not aware of what most of the others are getting when they signed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Frankly I don't how the obvious disparity in income between local players and some of the higher ranked foreign players (except LCW) can continue to the next series of IBL, especially if the foreign players contribute more winning points.

    Foreign players will certainly feel short changed if they know that lower ranked players are paid more. I suspect they are not aware of what most of the others are getting when they signed up.
    I think they have done better things by calling Marc Zweibler when some other leagues did not care about him..

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    I think they have done better things by calling Marc Zweibler when some other leagues did not care about him..
    You are deviating from the main issue.

    What I'm inferring is that the quality of a player must be recognized and rewarded accordingly.

    It seems to the onlooker that as this is an Indian League, locals must be treated better than foreigners. And the foreign players may not even know in advance that there will be a bias against them in the auction or those involved just ignore or are ignorant of their WR? This cannot be the case as the Indian coaches, etc, are available to guide bidders in the auction process.

    And BTW, how do you know what other leagues did not care about MZ?

    These other leagues may be organized with different aims and for different purposes.
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    @Loh perhaps the information in these posts will help you to better understand the rationale for the perceived "disparity" in winning bids between some "unknown" Indian players and some "known" international players.

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...63#post2117063

    And one of my "sermons"
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...84#post2116384

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    You are deviating from the main issue.

    What I'm inferring is that the quality of a player must be recognized and rewarded accordingly.

    It seems to the onlooker that as this is an Indian League, locals must be treated better than foreigners. And the foreign players may not even know in advance that there will be a bias against them in the auction or those involved just ignore or are ignorant of their WR? This cannot be the case as the Indian coaches, etc, are available to guide bidders in the auction process.

    Ok, Let me say some things again, though these are repeated so many times in the other thread mentioned by cobalt....And this is the answer for your pervious question as well..

    Though yes...winning is a priority..but it's not the only priority of this league ...And there are some simple reasons behind them...
    Just by winning, how much money would you get..
    According to details..there are only two prize moneys..
    Winner gets $650,000
    Runner gets $350,000 and the rest gets none..

    Now let's get to the payment issues...
    Each Franchise have to pay $275,000 to the players,
    Each franchise has to pay $500,000 to $600,000 to IBL for owning a team
    Just by adding these, even the winner can't get the full amount in return...
    Then what about the other 4 teams which doesn't get any prize money..??

    And here's where the main issue comes...Sponsers...
    And here's where the joke is...Indian Open Super series has a prize money of $200,000...But here all franchises including they have to shell out $4.5 million to $5 million just for players and IBL committee...

    So, everything comes down to marketing and marketing capability..And that's where Indian players come out..They can be marketable by just doing decently as well...
    It's not as if though, it applies only to India...Every country has it right..Just because a foriegn player is higher than your rank doesn't give him more marketability....
    So, that's where the pricing comes into act...It's exactly how the franchises feel a player can be marketable...as simple as that...

    And players not knowing about lower ranked players getting higher prices and all...
    Isn't it clear from the starting when the base prices are announced..??
    And didn't this league always reiterated that this league follows IPL...
    Then a simple example from IPL 2011
    You can check this example here..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...sonnel_changes

    Saurabh Tiwary winning bid - $1,600,000
    Kumara Sangakara winning bid -
    $700,000

    But the difference between the two players outside the IPL is massive...With Sangakara being the runner up captain of the 2011 cricket world cup for Sri Lanka ...Tiwary still doesn't have a place in Indian cricket team though he played some matches here and there.....But everything came down to marketability of a player..As simple as that in the end..

    And ofcourse, if some foreign players show some heroic matches in this league their marketing power would also increase with it...

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    Thanks depleter for your clear explanation.

    As this is the first time I heard of the IPL, the mechanics of of its workings are not familiar.

    Therefore the question on the income disparity and the fear that this might drive away high-ranked foreign players for future IBLs, thus reducing the quality of the series. IMO India has still not reached the stage of the more recognizable badminton powerhouses and as I understand, one of the aims of the IBL is to make the game more popular and hopefully this will attract more badminton talents and raise local standards further.

    Having said that, though the incomes of foreign players are generally lower than the locals, they are not insignificant. Some of them exceed the winner's prize of BWF Grand Prix and even Super Series events, I think.

    We have to accept that the IBL has to market itself, especially that it is brand new and badminton, though getting more popular, it certainly lags behind cricket and hockey in India. And in order to increase its image and marketability to both the populace and sponsors, household names I believe like SN, Sindhu, Kashyap, Anand, Ajay, Prannoy, Guru and other upcoming names must be promoted aggressively, thus their higher salaries in the bidding process.

    As an Indian lady coach has said there are bound to be some teething problems for something as new as the IBL and hopefully by the next IBL, such problems are greatly reduced, including the salaries paid to high ranked foreign players.

    I also thank cobalt for referring me to related postings which I will run through later.

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    Is this being telecast on Star Sports in SE ASIA too? Any news on that or other International broadcasts? Youtube?

    Also, Will this thread be made the Official IBL thread? There are couple of other threads too on IBL.

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    IBL has just voted to respect BAT's ban and ask the team who bought out Jongjit to find a replacement.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...p-jongjit.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by howdidoo View Post
    Is this being telecast on Star Sports in SE ASIA too? Any news on that or other International broadcasts? Youtube?

    Also, Will this thread be made the Official IBL thread? There are couple of other threads too on IBL.
    This thread will actually (probably) be for tournament days, since it has been started by OP in the Tournaments forum...

    The other thread is more to discuss general issues relating to IBL, the organisation, the leadup to the tournament itself and other stuff....

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    Big money, but unfairly distributed.

    There seems a salary cap at $275k. There are 5 matches. Therefore, to win a competition, the winner team has to take 3 wins. Which implies that one single player should be not paid more than 90k, otherwise, it will definitely hurt the team.

    Lee CW's 125k and Saina's 120k are too much. Especially too many Women's singles got paid too much: Juliane Schenk 90,000; Sindhu 80,000; ...

    If i'm the team manager, I will hire someone like Lee YD, or even retired Chinese player Zheng Bo, who can play both men's double and mixed double, bringing 2 victories to the team.

    Anyway, it's a market economy, supply and demand.

    By the way, there's none world champion, olympic champion at all; neither current or former champion. Is an local India player never heard of internationally, more marketable than a world champion ?

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