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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    One player's "in form" also equals to his opponent's "out of form". There's no excuse called "in form".

    Count how many pairs have won All England? CY/FHF 3 times, Lee YD twice, Bo/Mo, KKK/TBH 1 time. No other pairs have won any yet!

    Count how many pairs have invincible records? none!

    Based on these, LXL/QZH and CB/HW are already great pairs, and they are young, up and coming. All the other winners, including CaiY/FHF, LYD, KKK/TBH, Mo/Bo are losing their forms.

    I'm even not talking about the next tournament, I was talking about the next few years. Whom you can bet on?
    Hi 2 cents, i 100% agree with ur statement, and i also think what are u thinking bro, thanks for ur information, ur analysis with big prove are well explained enough and i pretty sure they will dominate men's double after this

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    What happened to the so-called dominator of MD for the next 10 years eh?
    Another 一轮游 (first round defeat) for the Rainbow pair.

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    CB/HW are still an up-coming pair. They have potential, because they both are very powerful. But their serve and return are nowhere near the top 5 level that it needs to be.

    LYD/KSH will be around for many more years and will be a top pair.
    Setiawan/Ahsan is the other elite pair in the world.

    Bo/Mo, KKK/TBH are older and probably are declining in their skill.

    They way I see it is the MD will be a 4 way competition of the truly elite pairs:
    LXL/QZH, LYD/KSH, Setiawan/Ahsan, and maybe HB/CB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    What happened to the so-called dominator of MD for the next 10 years eh?
    Another 一轮游 (first round defeat) for the Rainbow pair.
    since they will be dominant for next 10 year
    so not now

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhuangcorp View Post
    They way I see it is the MD will be a 4 way competition of the truly elite pairs:
    LXL/QZH, LYD/KSH, Setiawan/Ahsan, and maybe HB/CB.
    ngakak ngakak
    lol lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    since they will be dominant for next 10 year
    so not now
    Hahaha...

    p
    i think their 10years is not here yet

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    "He who laughs last laughs the longest."

    A reminiscence of the 2012 London Olympics and the many events before that

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    level 1: Hong Wei / Chai Biao

    level 2: Liu xl / Qiu Zh

    level 3: Lee yd/Ko SH, Cai y/Fu HF, Boe M/Mog C

    level 4: Seti h/Ahsan, Kido/Chandra, Kim/Kim, Endo/Hayakawa, KKK/TBH, MJ/NP, ...
    lolololololololololo

    ngakakakakakak

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    i watched them against hafiz/putra in IO SSP Qual....
    only against a young pair... with limited international exp...
    and they struggle, almost lost.... so far, there are still many things to be fixed from this pair.
    hmm... maybe hafiz/putra can be their biggest obstacle to dominate the world in the next 10 years ???

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    It was an irony that the level 4 Endo/Hayakawa just beat the "level 1" Chai/Hong in the SF of the China Masters today. The CHN pair lost 13-21 in the rubber-set. These 2 pairs will likely meet each other again in R16 of Japan Open next week.

    Will this be the end of the level 1 pair as Hong Wei will be partnering Fu Haifeng and Chai Biao will be with Cai Yun?

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    I started this thread, so I should put an end to it.

    No more Hong Wei / Chai Biao pair anymore. Although those two were perfectly matched and teamed to won 2 tournaments consecutively, they quickly became against each other after. Both of them have big egos.

    Chai was a child prodigy. Won multiple junior championships when he's young. So no matter teaming with whomever, he's been the one to set the strategy and tactics. Hong was a local player, not caught any attention until he won the 3rd in the national games last time with Guo ZD. He used to be humble with either Guo or Shen Ye, because he was just a freshman. But Hong has been always try to be the one can command in the pair.

    So when Chai and Hong played together, both of them thought he will be the boss of the other. Soon they became very hostile to each other. At the same time, Shen Ye, the former partner of Hong W, cried and begged Hong to take him back, and would follow the Hong's order forever. Therefore, Hong didn't want to play with Chai anymore, and insisted to play with Shen.

    Although coaches tried hard, i think this China masters is the last show for Hong/Chai playing together. Since Hong/Shen limited potentials, Coaches decided to try Hong with Fu HF, and Chai with Cai Y.
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    LOL.....what an explanation :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    LOL.....what an explanation :P
    You don't have to believe it. But it's the truth.

    Some history lessons:

    Zheng Bo and Sang Yang emerged at the same time as Fu/Cai. And Zheng /Sang were even better than Fu/Cai. In the national team training Zheng/Sang were dominant. Both Zheng/Sang and Fu/Cai were the semi-finalists in the world championship at same time. After WC surge. Both pairs went to the Indonesia open, the most difficult tournaments for Chinese players. At the Indonesia open, Zheng/Sang beat Fu/Cai convincingly in the final, and won the title. (Fu/Cai got the 2nd place there)

    At that moments, Zheng/Sang seemed to be the most promising even better than Fu/Cai. But the difference is that Fu and Cai are very matured in not only skills but also mentally and emotional. They know how to teamwork together. But Zheng Bo and Sang Yang cannot work together, they even fought each other... and finally Sang was kicked out the national team.

    Both Zheng Bo and Sang Yang are very talented in badminton. Unfortunately, Zheng Bo is not good at teamworking. Sang Yang lost his national team membership. But he has always been the top player in China, even til now. Did pretty good at the national games today.

    Hong/Chai was just like another Zheng/Sang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Zheng Bo and Sang Yang emerged at the same time as Fu/Cai. And Zheng /Sang were even better than Fu/Cai. In the national team training Zheng/Sang were dominant. Both Zheng/Sang and Fu/Cai were the semi-finalists in the world championship at same time. After WC surge. Both pairs went to the Indonesia open, the most difficult tournaments for Chinese players. At the Indonesia open, Zheng/Sang beat Fu/Cai convincingly in the final, and won the title. (Fu/Cai got the 2nd place there)
    I know the history behind Sang Yang/Zheng Bo, but you are TOTALLY WRONG about what you wrote, as highlighted in bold above!

    Sang Yang/Zheng Bo won the INA Open 2003 title by beating Pramote Teerawiwatana/Tessana Panvisvas in the Final. Meanwhile, Fu/Cai lost to Choong/Lee in the QF.

    In the INA Open 2004, Fu/Cai finished as Runners-up, but they lost to Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto in that that year. Sang/Zheng gave a WO.

    My advice to you is: next time, before you write about history lessons, did some research first on your history!
    Last edited by badMania; 09-14-2013 at 07:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    I know the history behind Sang Yang/Zheng Bo, but you are TOTALLY WRONG about what you wrote, as highlighted in bold above!

    Sang Yang/Zheng Bo won the INA Open 2003 title by beating Pramote Teerawiwatana/Tessana Panvisvas in the Final. Meanwhile, Fu/Cai lost to Choong/Lee in the QF.

    In the INA Open 2004, Fu/Cai finished as Runners-up, but they lost to Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto in that that year. Sang/Zheng gave a WO.

    My advice to you is: next time, before you write about history lessons, did some research first on your history!
    Please read:

    Cai Yun / Fu HF beat Kido / Setiawan: 15-11, 15-4
    Chong TF/Lee WW beat Cai / Fu 15-8, 15-4
    Sang Yang / Zheng Bo beat Chong / Lee: 15-9, 15-5

    Were all these not enough to prove Sang/Zheng's potential at that time?

    It's not important my memory a little bit rusty or not. It's important my points get crossover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Chai was a child prodigy. Won multiple junior championships when he's young.
    (since we are talking about A player,then we talking about individual event)
    this is something new i heard.when we talk about child prodigy,we have
    1,lee yong dae,6 ajc individual champion,2 wjc individual champion
    3,ratchanok,3 wjc individual champion.

    chai biao didn't even win wjc in his main event(md).
    if chai biao was child prodigy(who only won 1 individual title each in wjc and wjc)
    then more than 10 single player and 20 pair can be called as child prodigy.
    'child prodigy' must be a cheap name tag

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    (since we are talking about A player,then we talking about individual event)
    this is something new i heard.when we talk about child prodigy,we have
    1,lee yong dae,6 ajc individual champion,2 wjc individual champion
    3,ratchanok,3 wjc individual champion.

    chai biao didn't even win wjc in his main event(md).
    if chai biao was child prodigy(who only won 1 individual title each in wjc and wjc)
    then more than 10 single player and 20 pair can be called as child prodigy.
    'child prodigy' must be a cheap name tag
    There's no official definition for child prodigy. Chai Biao has won the world junior championship runner up, and also the asian junior champion if my memory not rusty. That was the best that time for China. I think it's child prodigy enough. Especially comparing Hong Wei, who even didn't get a chance to represent Junior level when he's a child.

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