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    Quote Originally Posted by crosstrainer
    i'm actually concerned about the lenses required take badminton shots.

    even if you have the most expensive body, it'll do didly-squat if you don't have a fast-enough lens, right?

    a friend told me that you can *probably* get away with a basic body (like 350D) and get a fast lens, say 50mm @ F1.8.. but i don't know enough right now to comment.

    what lenses are you using?
    Yes, you can *get away* with a basic body, but not often enough

    Sure, the high end body won't do much if you haven't got a fast lens. My point of view assumes you already have the fast lens. You will still need the body to match it to raise the percentage of good shots.

    350D still has noticable shutterlag for badminton (it's quite alright for other general photography!). And if you rely on the AF, there's quite a few misfocussed shots. (If you manually focus and can follow the player, then that's not such a problem [but I don't have that skill ])

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    Quote Originally Posted by crosstrainer
    what lenses are you using?
    I have 50/1.8 and 100/2.

    I also have a 70-200/4.0 L which doesn't see much use.

    Here are some threads with samples that I took.


    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=28069

    The first and 2nd pics is with the 50/1.8.

    The 3rd one is the 300/2.8 that I borrowed from another guy there! (that's really great to use!)

    The pictures of Tania Luiz further down the page were taken with the 70-200/4.0 L

    Going even further down, you can see the photo of Yang Wei and Zhang JieWen behind her doing a smash. It might not be very noticable in the small picture but the camera has actually focussed behind the the players on the backboard. OK, so it might be me and not being able to position the AF sensor properly

    So how about this link?
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...9&page=3&pp=18

    See the ones of Nathan Robertson playing. These were with the 70-200/4.0. For the 2nd and 3rd picture of Nathan, the in-focus part of the picture is clearly behind the players and on the net, respectively.

    Oh yeah, and Boonsak's photo was with the 70-200/4.0

    Now, Loh and Kwun use Nikon D70
    These are some recent pictures taken by Loh
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=28917
    You've already had some feedback in this thread from Kwun.

    Here's some more from Kwun for comparison (might not be too good a comparison as he was using a teleconvertor)
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=26447
    I think he's upgraded the software in the D70 as well.


    I think those threads really give an indication of how these prosumer cameras perform.

    Just for comparison, here the link for Red's photos
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=28019
    (taken with 20D and 70-200/2.8)
    Red has far better skill (referring to the photography part, not the badminton part..hahahaha)
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    and the digital revolution continues....

    Breakthrough chip delivers better digital pictures for less power

    Tiny cameras could run for years

    read it at http://www.dpreview.com/news/0512/05121201new_chips.asp

    it's a rather long post so it's best to read it at the above website...cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by storkbill
    fortunately for Canon, they have the relatively affordable 135 f/2 though I think the ideal lens for badminton action shots is the 200 f/1.8 in order to have maximum blurring of the background.
    You have access to the 200/1.8?? Wow. Can you post some of those pics up? Love to see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    ...3) a good action shot is possible with 350D - I do have some. But put it in context of all the shots I took. Most others were some framing problem, an arm in the way, the head cut off, no shuttle in the picture, out of focus because the AF system decided to focus on the contrast of the top of the net rather than the player....well, I don't rate the 350D for fast, indoor photgraphy very highly. I think it works fine otherwise......
    i got the same problem with my 20d. coz both of our cameras aren't really perfect for sports photography.
    as i know all focusing point other than the one in the middle on both 20d and 350d are "creeping".

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    Quote Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
    i got the same problem with my 20d. coz both of our cameras aren't really perfect for sports photography.
    as i know all focusing point other than the one in the middle on both 20d and 350d are "creeping".
    just wanna add a little more.
    because of that. with a 20d. i will always sacrifice the "first framing". i will crop the image a bit afterwards for a better framing. remember one thing. sharpness go first!
    that "creeping" focusing points do exist in high-ended dslr(s). but they are not as worse as those on 20d or 350d!
    so, in order to get some nice shots. it's important for all of us to know the weakness of our weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    .........Red has far better skill (referring to the photography part, not the badminton part..hahahaha)
    i m gonna nail u down with my cab20 or mp88 one day!!! u know it's just the matter of time cheung!!!
    u will see!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    You have access to the 200/1.8?? Wow. Can you post some of those pics up? Love to see them.
    see my pics in the Singapore Open subforum

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    Quote Originally Posted by storkbill
    see my pics in the Singapore Open subforum
    hahaha, that tournament came up when I was really busy. I must apologise that I didn;t see them before!! Most of those were with 200/1.8?
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=24817

    Actually, I have some questions on how you managed to get those shots!

    Like for the m'sians, how did you get the players in focus when they are obviously out of the AF area? Did you go to manual focus?

    Was the mixed doubles picture cropped?


    (And you were not using a 350D for those pics )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    hahaha, that tournament came up when I was really busy. I must apologise that I didn;t see them before!! Most of those were with 200/1.8?
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=24817

    Actually, I have some questions on how you managed to get those shots!

    Like for the m'sians, how did you get the players in focus when they are obviously out of the AF area? Did you go to manual focus?

    Was the mixed doubles picture cropped?


    (And you were not using a 350D for those pics )
    The Chinese XD was cropped, the rear man is actually in the centre. The focus was more or less done before he jumped. For the Malaysian XD, i can't remember, this was earlier on when i was experimenting and i could have been using manual focus. Lens used was the 200mm.

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    what does a 200/1.8 look like? i found a 200/2.8 picture but not 1.8

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    at the malaysian open this year i was taking photos from courtside. i found that my d70's autofocus was way too slow to keep up with moving players, even when using my AFS 70-200. i ended up prefocusing on a spot, switched to manual focus, then took the shot when the players were in the right zone.

    shutter lag was a problem initially but once i adapted by shooting slightly earlier there was no more problem. it would have been nice to have a d2x or d2h for 8fps shooting, but single frames at a time were sufficient.

    the other problem with shooting through the net was that the autofocus would focus on the net rather than the player behind. i pre-focussed and switched to manual focus to get around that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler
    what does a 200/1.8 look like? i found a 200/2.8 picture but not 1.8
    it looks like a 300/2.8 but i guess it's a discontinued item now.
    check this out cooler.
    http://www.sportsshooter.com/gear_profile.html?id=83

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    Quote Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
    it looks like a 300/2.8 but i guess it's a discontinued item now.
    check this out cooler.
    http://www.sportsshooter.com/gear_profile.html?id=83
    thanks for the link. Wow, photography is one hobby where accessories can cost way more the the main equipment, the camera.

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    Hi evrybody!
    here is some of my pictures, taken in France in amateur tournaments with my EOS 300D and 50mm f1.8



    50mm f/1.8 ISO800 1/500sec


    50 mm 1/500 sec f/2.5 ISO800



    50mm 1/320 sec f/1.8 ISO400



    50mm 1/500 sec f/2.8 ISO800


    50 mm 1/500 sec f/2.8 ISO400




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekinox06210
    Hi evrybody!
    here is some of my pictures, taken in France in amateur tournaments with my EOS 300D and 50mm f1.8

    nice pictures ekinox06210!

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    thank you

    I'll try to go on a big tournament this year, I hope to have a photographer acces.
    i'll show you my pictures


    (excuse my english)

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