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    Originally posted by Ricky
    Unless those digital SLR, the CCD of most digital cameras are very small which give very large DOF as a result.

    In fact, you shouldn't (and can't) use flash to take such kind of photographs because it will affect the players. In addition, using flash cannot capture the actual atmosphere which yield poor results even your flash is powerful enough.
    http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/sho...5&pagenumber=4

    Ricky mentioned in the thread linked above that the advantage of digital cameras over manual SLR's is that they provide a large DOF and the resolution doesn't degrade in low light conditions; I've always being quite obstinate about changing to digital, but after hearing this I may well make the change. I'm currently using manual SLR's on Superia Reala ASA100, which I pay about 300% more to get developed at a specialist developer. I'm fairly happy with most of the results, but as I mentioned before I've got a real problem when shooting in low light conditions and the depth of field on 28mm and 50mm lenses is very shallow. Can anyone comment on whether the quality of the upper range of digital cameras is comparable to the type of equipment I'm currently using?

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    Hey Traum, why is there a bottle of lotion and a roll of tissues at either side of your computer? (my range of facial expressions upon seeing them) . Perhaps you should have thought that shot through more carefully before taking it.
    Hey Yonexfan. Before commenting on the quality of the higher end dSLR, I must tell you that you have a very creative mind.

    I'm a little more familiar with Canon's dSLR offerings, so I'll only stick to Canon here. Right at the very top, the EOS 1Ds is a pro-grade dSLR, with a 11 Megapixel, full frame 24x36mm sensor (same size as regular 35mm film). The obvious benefits here are the ultra high resolution as well as the 35mm-equivalent sensor size. With a full-frame sensor, your lenses will not be be subjected to the field of view cropping that are typical of almost every other digital camera (whether they are dSLRs or not), and your 14mm ultra wide angle lense will continue to give your a 14mm-equivalent field of view, instead of the 14mm x 1.6 = 22.5mm-equivalent field of view.

    Next in line is the 6 Megapixel EOS 10D. From the magazine articles that I have been reading, the EOS 10D has been getting high praises from the photography community for its features, image quality, and affordable price. In particular, imagine quality is pretty much on par with 35mm film under most conditions. (I don't know if the journalist really just mean negative film here or not. It is possible that they are using the term loosely here, which means image quality could be on par with 35mm slides as well) For night scenes, I think there is still a very small amount of image noise, but it isn't very noticible at all.

    The latest offering from Canon is their Digital Rebel / EOS 300D. This is essentially the same camera as the EOS 10D, except that the camera's firmware has been crippled to provide a smaller set of features. Also, the body is made out of plastic instead of magnesium, and a few other cost cutting measures are put in place to make it extremely affordable (for a dSLR). Another bonus with the EOS 300D is that it features a new EF-S lense mount that is backward compatible with Canon's EF lense. The benefit of the new EF-S mount is that the rear element of the EF-S lense reaches further back into the body of the camera, thereby allowing the EF-S lense to be more compact in size as well as offering a wider FOV. Although Canon has indicated for the moment that they have no intention of making any EF-S lense other than the one that comes with the EOS 300D kit, I have every reason to believe that future versions of their dSLR will all feature the new lense mount, and new EF-S lenses are bound to be produced.

    I've been living with my Digital Rebel for almost two months now, and I can't tell you how satisfied I am with it.

    Hope this helps. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the Nikon side of things can enlighten us here?

    -Rick

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    traum, how is the canon EOS 300D compares to the sony F828?
    are both comparable for sport images?

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    hey traum

    what i had mention above was all about the pix which kwun posted here. all assumption was base on film slr.
    indeed, i m not a hardware guru anyome. i m a photojournalist, an end user of cameras not a camera expert. all i need to do is to get some nice shots with my existing gears on assignment.
    of coz, getting to know well about your gears is important but not just kindda number of figures. such as how many new features, how many frames per second, how many pixels, how fast can the shutter run and so on........
    anyone'd ever tried to take a picture with 1/8000 sec here?
    on my point of view. knowing that kind of information won't really help u to get a good shot. infact know the weakness of your equipment is far more important.
    as i remember, i've been using nikon d1 for three years. when i got it for the very first day. the first thing for me to do was that. finding the difference, weakness and characteristic on using it then using a convention slr.
    i gonna share a bit of my experience on using the d1 to u guys. it's hard to believe that putting a flash on auto mode somehow is more accurate than putting it on ttl . an action can be freezed at 1/125 sec with a film slr for example, but the same action can't be freezed at the same shutter speed with a dslr (all d1 series) etc etc.....
    sounds crazy huh? but it's real!
    u might thing i m silly or even stupid. coz up to this moment, i still don't know how many pixels can be obtained with my company's d1 camera.
    on my situation, i don't really care about it indeed. coz readers can't really see the difference on an 8 X 10 picture (sometimes even smaller) which was printed on newspaper with a 3 mega pixels or with a 10 mega pixels digital camera.
    besides, if my boss think that the quality of my camera is not good enough when comparing with other papers. i m sure he will get something better for me and my team members.
    lastly. a few words for me and others who are interested in photography. KEEP ON PRACTISING.

    regards

    red00ecstrat
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    Originally posted by red00ecstrat
    i want to raise a question and see u guys can deal with it or not!
    what will u guys do. when u can only use 1/60 sec for trying to get a decent picture for newspaper or magazine in a badminton match without interrupting it?
    Feedback please?

    -dave

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    Great info and discussion here.
    Back to the question red00ecstrat mentioned before. What can you do using only 1/60 sec for trying to get a decent baddy picture? Can red00ecstrat shed some light on this?

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    Guys

    U can never crush a stone with your bare hand. So think it the other way. U can hold that stone and throw it to the ground and make it to pieces right?
    A few options u can choose to deal with that terrible situation.
    Firstly, When u are facing the player. Try to concentrate when player do some net tricks. Don’s even think u can get a smashing shot with 1/60 sec!
    Secondly, When u are at the sides of the court. Try using a pan shot, pay attention to the player when he/she intends to run across your viewfinder.
    Lastly, hehe…… the most tricky way. Do whatever u can then wait for the last moment. Wait until the player took the last score. While he raise his racket and say “i did it” use your flash and burn him/her.
    Those are the tricks which most photographer will do in a low light indoor badminton match.
    in the old days. when film cameras were the only choice for photography. photographers were usually using another method. force to increase the shutter speed by 1 or 2 stops. in this case force to 1/125 or 1/250 sec then tell the dark room technicians to increase the developing time to 1 or 2 stops accordingly. or simply tell them to "push" it accordingly.
    for wood_22_chuck's answer. let's forget about the monopod, tripod stuffs. they are not the key factors. but his +1.333 to +1.666 stops compensation. i m afraid he was not correct.
    question for him. where does the extra light come from? infact when u are using a + compensation. the shutter speed is actually stepping down.right? besides, it makes no differece on manual mode.
    let's talk a bit more on shutter speed. (suppose that u fixed your camera on a tripoid). do u guys know u can use a relatively slower shutter speed to freeze a subject when it is moving towards u. the same shutter speed can't freeze it when it's moving across u? again, it's real but this time it's can be applied to every slr.
    it's nice to share experience here.

    regards

    red00ecstrat

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    Originally posted by cooler
    traum, how is the canon EOS 300D compares to the sony F828?
    are both comparable for sport images?
    Hey cooler. I have not used the Sony F828 before, but from a few reviews that I've read, it seems like it is pretty versatile. Nice resolution (8MP) with a newly developed CCD sensor, large zoom range (28 - 200mm), manual zoom ring for precision zoom control (as opposed to the electronic zoom buttons). However, the articles I read didn't talk about shutter delay all that much, so I don't know what kind of performance we should expect from there. (My biased gut feeling is that it won't be as instaneous as an SLR). Another thing to watch for is the electronic viewfinder. My experience with electronic viewfinders is that they generally have a short delay and insufficient refresh rates for action photography. If you're gonna be using it for taking baddy photos, you might wanna think twice. Last but not least, the Sony DSC-F828 is retailing for Cdn$1499, which means it is only $100 cheaper than the Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel). Then again, if you don't want to be bogged down by the bulk of a dSLR (not that the EOS 300D is all that big), perhaps the F828 is as good as pro-sumer grade cameras get.

    If you are indeed shopping for a digital camera, you would most definitely want to check out ECost.com . They are a US-based web store, and their prices are very, very attractive. Furthermore, they feature this Borderfree thing where you are quoted (and guaranteed) a price in Canadian dollars. They also let you know, at time of purchase, how much taxes, duties, and S&H costs are going to be, and everything is charged by Borderfree, in Canadian funds, to a Canadian credit card. With our beloved loonie coming to a 10-year high of 77cents, shopping in the US becomes that much more attractive.

    Originally posted by red00ecstrat

    of coz, getting to know well about your gears is important but not just kindda number of figures. such as how many new features, how many frames per second, how many pixels, how fast can the shutter run and so on........
    anyone'd ever tried to take a picture with 1/8000 sec here?
    Hey red00ecstrat. As a regular consumer who has to shell out the dough from our own pockets for our photography gear, I would have to politely disagree with some of your beliefs as stated above. In your case, since your equipment is paid for by the company, cost is really not a concern to you at all. But for those who have to finance our own stuff, chances are, we want to get the most bang for our buck. Consequently, price vs features is something we have to pay close attention to. Using the Sony F828 example again, if cooler were looking for a digital camera that can shoot baddy picture, the electronic viewfinder might not be up to the job. But if a camera with an accurate optical viewfinder (no parallax) is out of his price range, then perhaps he'll have to live with the limitations (or he could save up a bit more).

    At the end of the day, I suppose it is only a fine line between knowing about the features and going overboard/obsessed with the technical details.

    Lastly, thank you for the awesome tips on shooting action photos with a slow shutter. I'm definitely gonna try them out this Saturday at my tournament!

    Cheers,
    -Rick

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    Thanks for your comment Traum. I've checked ecost.com and the cost difference is now only 50 USD. CMOS sensor is inheritly faster and has less noise than CCD so the canon should perform better on capturing fast images on the merit of sensor alone. I'll wait for post production reviews before deciding what to do. I'm sure Minolta & Pentax are working up a low cost SLR too

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    inheritly should read inherently

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    Originally posted by cooler
    Thanks for your comment Traum. I've checked ecost.com and the cost difference is now only 50 USD. CMOS sensor is inheritly faster and has less noise than CCD so the canon should perform better on capturing fast images on the merit of sensor alone. I'll wait for post production reviews before deciding what to do. I'm sure Minolta & Pentax are working up a low cost SLR too
    Pentax don't make cheap SLR'S; the cheapest Pentax model with a decent lens - the MZ-M - is about £200. The *Digital* Pentax SLR'S (body + decent lens) start at about £1400. If you're looking for a cheap camera, you'd be better going for one of the low-grade independent manufacturers like Centon (who just rip off any good cameras Pentax make; cf. the Centon K100).

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    hi traum

    u got your point. infact i was a bit jealous of your gears. hehe...........just kidding. anyway good luck on your tournament. get a trophy,get some good pix as well and post it here ok? and i m sure u and the guys here will have the pride and joy in explorering photography.

    best wishes

    red

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    Kwun, what camera are you using? anyone have tried the Canon Digital SLR REbel?

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    hey ants, check Traum's post few pages up.
    Feedback from other canon 300D users that i've read are all positive mostly.

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    Guys.. what brand of CF card with high acceleration would you recomend? I currently using Sandisk.

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    ants, it's camera specific from this article
    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...e.asp?cid=6007

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    Originally posted by cooler
    ants, it's camera specific from this article
    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...e.asp?cid=6007
    Thanks for the url mate.. great help

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