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View Poll Results: Will Lee Chong Wei win the 2013 World Championship?

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  • Yes, Lee Chong Wei will win!

    74 39.36%
  • No, he will lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latecomer View Post
    I find the same situation exists in Toronto, immigrants from Mainland and Taiwan refuse to learn Cantonese unless it is absolutely necessary. Most of the time it is the Cantonese(mainly from HK) speaking trying to communicate with them in Mandarin. You know how awful it is for a HK born Cantonese speaking Mandarin. This situation has been existing for as long as I can remember, I guarantee it will remain cause now Canada has more Mandarin speaking immigrants than Cantonese. I am not trying to start an argument, it is just my own observation.
    hm.. Mainland Chinese students in HK hang out among themselves; they don't hang out with local HK people. Local HK students also do not hang out with Mainland Chinese students.

    HK people in general is not quite willing and able to hang out with people who do not speak Cantonese. The ability to speak English and Mandarin amongst local people is still wanting.

    Singapore and Malaysia are doing much better in this.

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    hk folks cant speak mandarin but they can speak english

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    It is quite out of topic, but in some places in South China, one valley hardly understand the next valley. I know some cases from Jiangxi and from Guangxi. It must be the case for Fujian and Guangdong. Names like "min nan" or "hakka" are general names for related dialects.
    One interesting fact is that "guangdong hua" is used officially in Guangdong, in the radio, trains, in the cabs, etc.
    I for myself like the fact that HK people do not mix so easily with people not speaking their language. Quite healthy I think!

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    It is quite out of topic, but in some places in South China, one valley hardly understand the next valley. I know some cases from Jiangxi and from Guangxi. It must be the case for Fujian and Guangdong. Names like "min nan" or "hakka" are general names for related dialects.
    One interesting fact is that "guangdong hua" is used officially in Guangdong, in the radio, trains, in the cabs, etc.
    I for myself like the fact that HK people do not mix so easily with people not speaking their language. Quite healthy I think!
    yes.
    when china 1st choosing the national language,cantonese lost by 1 vote to mandarin(which originally a north china mixed dialect ),that's really made a lots of different

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    yes.
    when china 1st choosing the national language,cantonese lost by 1 vote to mandarin(which originally a north china mixed dialect ),that's really made a lots of different
    really? i didn't know about that! where can i get information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    yes.
    when china 1st choosing the national language,cantonese lost by 1 vote to mandarin(which originally a north china mixed dialect ),that's really made a lots of different
    Wow! I never learn this matter, at the slightest. Voted in 1912 or 1949? Any link or further info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    yes.
    when china 1st choosing the national language,cantonese lost by 1 vote to mandarin(which originally a north china mixed dialect ),that's really made a lots of different
    It is completely false information.

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    Throughout Chinese history, the capitals were located within the Mandarin area which made the dialect spoken in that area influential. In around year 1720, an emperor order officials from non-mandarin speaking spoke a dialect that the emperor could understand which was the beginning of an unified language in China. Eventually, the Beijing dialect was selected in 1932 and the People's Republic of China made it official in 1949 when the current China was born. Cantonese was never in the running and never will.

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    The official name is called putonghua, not mandarin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    yes.
    when china 1st choosing the national language,cantonese lost by 1 vote to mandarin(which originally a north china mixed dialect ),that's really made a lots of different
    Lost by 1 vote. Err..Wong Fei Hong was absent during the voting process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    Lost by 1 vote. Err..Wong Fei Hong was absent during the voting process?
    By 2, count Yip Man too.

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    The world has become a global village, thanks largely to the Internet, and not communicating with each other because of language barrier, worse still cultural differences, is the worse thing to happen to any people leading to misunderstanding and even conflicts, not to mention the inability to learn from one another and not benefiting from strength in diversity.

    As far as language is concerned, English has over several decades due to the English-speaking world's great superiority in science and technology as well as economic development become the de facto global language. However, there are pros and cons. The following link contains 19 well-written articles by various authors on the topic: English as a global language,a good or bad thing? http://www.helium.com/knowledge/2945...d-or-bad-thing

    Another article by Jacques Melitz for Centre for Economic Policy Research (CEPR) titled "English as the Global Langauage:Good for Business, Bad for Literature". http://www.cepr.org/press/DP2055PR.htm

    I understand the French are very proud and protective of their language so much so that even tourists who don't speak French but any other language in France are not well entertained or shunned in many places. But, for me, it's best to learn another language, if you've the time and interest,as it opens new vistas to increased knowledge,a deeper understanding of the history,culture,beliefs and philosophy of diverse peoples, esp when you can read works in their original languages (as there's always something lost in translations), in addition to improved communication,meeting new people and interacting with them to forge a better relationship, widening your perspective, and just simply for the fun and enjoyment of it.

    Interestingly, Jim Rogers,the well-known American investor, advises all parents to teach their children Mandarin. http://www.thepreparationstation.com...-his-children/ - I urge you to watch the included video clip of Jim's interview. Another link http://www.slideshare.net/TutorChine...ildren-chinese
    Apparently,Jim Rogers is a Sinophile, i.e. one who admires China,its people, or its culture, and just to cite a few notable, recent,modern Westerners who are too, namely, Jacques Chirac, ex-French President; Kevin Rudd,the 26th Australian Prime Minister;Jon Huntsman,the Republican US Presidential candidate in the 2012 Election;Jean Chretien, former Prime Minister of Canada. Those who love music would have heard of Wu-Tang Clan, a rap group from New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latecomer View Post
    The official name is called putonghua, not mandarin.
    Maybe this wikipedia article may clarify matters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Mandarin

    Another one http://www.omniglot.com/chinese/mandarin.htm
    Last edited by Justin L; 06-25-2013 at 06:13 AM.

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    Coming back to topic, the poll result so far isn't quite what I expected, more than 60% think Lee CW won't win it?!

    I wonder if given a chance to re-vote now, would the outcome be any different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    really? i didn't know about that! where can i get information?
    Quote Originally Posted by kelana View Post
    Wow! I never learn this matter, at the slightest. Voted in 1912 or 1949? Any link or further info?
    i posted on pcll99 visitor wall
    Quote Originally Posted by latecomer View Post
    It is completely false information.
    Quote Originally Posted by latecomer View Post
    Throughout Chinese history, the capitals were located within the Mandarin area which made the dialect spoken in that area influential. In around year 1720, an emperor order officials from non-mandarin speaking spoke a dialect that the emperor could understand which was the beginning of an unified language in China. Eventually, the Beijing dialect was selected in 1932 and the People's Republic of China made it official in 1949 when the current China was born. Cantonese was never in the running and never will.
    Quote Originally Posted by latecomer View Post
    The official name is called putonghua, not mandarin.
    well,do u know who is yuen tengfei 袁腾飞? i get the info from his books.
    the emperor u said in 1720 is manchurian,how can Kang Xi emperor order Han's officer speak manzhouhua?lol none of the manchurian speak manzhouhua now. They learned from Yuan dynasty mistake. Manchurian was totally absorbed into the culture of Han's and never ever speak manzhouhua anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post

    ...

    As far as language is concerned, English has over several decades due to the English-speaking world's great superiority in science and technology as well as economic development become the de facto global language. However, there are pros and cons. The following link contains 19 well-written articles by various authors on the topic: English as a global language,a good or bad thing? http://www.helium.com/knowledge/2945...d-or-bad-thing

    Another article by Jacques Melitz for Centre for Economic Policy Research (CEPR) titled "English as the Global Langauage:Good for Business, Bad for Literature". http://www.cepr.org/press/DP2055PR.htm

    I understand the French are very proud and protective of their language so much so that even tourists who don't speak French but any other language in France are not well entertained or shunned in many places. But, for me, it's best to learn another language, if you've the time and interest,as it opens new vistas to increased knowledge,a deeper understanding of the history,culture,beliefs and philosophy of diverse peoples, esp when you can read works in their original languages (as there's always something lost in translations), in addition to improved communication,meeting new people and interacting with them to forge a better relationship, widening your perspective, and just simply for the fun and enjoyment of it.

    ...
    I think English became the lingua franca of the world today because of the following:

    (1) The British Empire dominated the world from 1815 to 1914 (Pax Britannica).
    (2) America dominated the world after 1945. Its only rival is USSR.
    (3) After the Cold War has ended, America has no rival.

    Maybe the American Century will end in 2046, and Hong Kong will rule the world then!!!
    Last edited by pcll99; 06-25-2013 at 11:37 AM.

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    Don't have to wait to long, America just begged HK to detain and extradite Edward Snowden.

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