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    The idea is this: Who would've thought Liu/Qiu could be where they are now 2 years ago? Heck, the worshipping shri-, ahem, thread for them was only created at the end of last year. The post rate gets rapidly increasing as more fanboy/girls jumped into the bandwagon due to their recent success.

    And don't get me started with Chai Biao/Hong Wei pairing. Until mid-2012, I kept thinking Hong would be stuck with Shen Ye for good... and Chai's talent would be wasted with Guo Zhendong

    tl;dr: One could only predict what would happen in the next 2 years. Thus, unless you are some kind of a prophet (or a straight-out blind fanboy), saying things like, "very little chance they could beat them in ??? years" is't quite a good idea.

    Important keyword: "Right now".

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    Oh come one be serious. I'm not a fan of China, but you gotta admit that with the exception of 2007/2008 Kido/Setiawan, there hasn't been a really dangerous Indonesian MD since the Gunawan era.
    Of course there's a chance that an Indonesian MD can pull off a surprise victory, but chances for that are slim. I, for one, thought Liu/Qiu had great potential when I saw them playing at the '11 WC, and I think Angga/Pratama have potential as well.
    But given that the Chinese squad always performs well at the tournaments they deem important and seeing how they have strength in depth, not just one or two outstanding players, and can train and spar much better that way, I'm still saying Indonesia's chances of beating them in the next 1 or 2 years are slim.
    "Slim" doesn't mean "non-existent". They might just surprise us all and find a new MD pairing that can repeat Tantowi's burst onto the scene.

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    This is never ending debate.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    I think a bonus was deserved - they did perform well, and quite frankly you can't expect any country to win against China in a team event. Getting China in the Quarters was really bad luck, I believe they could've done better against Japan or Taipei. Against Korea they only could've won the XD as they stand no chance against any of their MD teams (the only reason they won it against China is that they didn't field Liu/Qiu).
    Quote Originally Posted by Felix. View Post
    Fallacy. Korea's MS is beatable, plus LYD/KHS lost tamely to Hendra Setiawan/Md. Ahsan the last time the two pairs played.
    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    And yet the INA pair has lost to Bao/Zheng in the Axiata Cup after that final, and hasn't won another tournament, while the Koreans have enjoyed success. And while Korea's MS is indeed beatable, the fielded INA MS players are the definition of beatable. Sony was doing well the past year and would actually have been the favorite against LDK, but those that actually played....losing tamely to Kashyap Parupalli is not a sign you can beat LDK
    *coughs*
    HS/AS beat LYD/KHS tamely again last week. And LDK also just lost to Tommy Sugiarto this week. Additionally, GP/NK just beat the Korean #1 pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix. View Post
    *coughs*
    HS/AS beat LYD/KHS tamely again last week. And LDK also just lost to Tommy Sugiarto this week. Additionally, GP/NK just beat the Korean #1 pair.
    in addition Ahsan/Hendra beat KSH/LYD three times this year in three finals and twice consecutively in two consecutive finals, and all ended with straight games

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    Quote Originally Posted by ting_ht View Post
    Originally Posted by j4ckie

    Really really doubt they can get 2 points in MD....even the one they got was against an off-form CY/FHF. With LQL/QZH only gettinger stronger and more confident the first MD is gonna be an uphill battle already, and Chai Biao/Hong Wei will probably get their chance and looked very promising so far..."


    I think the point is Indonesia needs to find a second pair which is strong enough challenge CB/HW before they have a real chance of win over China in Thomas Cup.
    INA already have it, then...no need to wait the next two years....:P
    In addition, Tommy and Hayom have proven that they can beat CHN MS, 1st and 2nd single...if LD still as 3rd single, INA do not need to play 5th game to win TC....

    Nothing is impossible.... Jia You Indonesia!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix. View Post
    *coughs*
    HS/AS beat LYD/KHS tamely again last week. And LDK also just lost to Tommy Sugiarto this week. Additionally, GP/NK just beat the Korean #1 pair.
    Just ignore them, my friend.

    Like quote that i know "Don't let others define what you are capable of. Just show them."

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    INA has done well recently but still need to show it constitently and prove it on the court.

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