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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    Automatic qualification is a good idea. How about the winner of the World Champion in year preceding Olympics? Should he or she be automatically qualify for the Olympics?
    The problem is the World Championships and the Olympics are two separate distinct events, each serving a different purpose with some overlap. The one earns the world title for which all the best players are expected to vie for it, the other encompasses the Olympic spirit and goals of universality of values,participation(i.e. winning isn't everything), to promote world peace, build a better world, and so on and so forth.

    Moreover, the WC is an annual affair whilst the Olympics quadrennial, so I feel four years is too long a period for a player to maintain his form, what with retirements due to age, injury, loss of motivation - just too many things can happen in four years. Therefore giving automatic berth to the defending Olympic champion may be pushing it, I don't think it'll go down very well with many people. Don't forget, there's also quota places for each National Olympic Committee (NOC) more stringent than for the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    Automatic qualification is a good idea. How about the winner of the World Champion in year preceding Olympics? Should he or she be automatically qualify for the Olympics?
    It would never happen. Olympic committee is separate to the BWF and has different entry criteria (and deliberately so). However, the IOC does rely heavily on BWF to help out which confuses some people into thinking BWF is in total control of Olympic badminton.

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    Holy Cow!!! This thread has grown to 12 pages just because LD got a wild card!!! I neither have time nor patience to go through 12 pages of comments so I'll just state my opinion. I think people are going a bit overboard now over LD's Wild Card. Buck up and suck it up. LD deserves a Wild Card for his sheer accomplishments so far. I support BWF's decision provided LD doesn't abuse it by throwing away matches for his teammates. And I doubt that would happen, but I cant trust CBA. If CBA fiddles again I hope he rebels against it just like how he punched JXP few years ago.

    My only gripe with this decision is BWF has showed us how biased the organization is. BWF should give out wild cards at every major tournament, like in Tennis, to give former top 20 or top 30 players a chance to prove them selves.

    Coming to current discussion,

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    It would never happen. Olympic committee is separate to the BWF and has different entry criteria (and deliberately so). However, the IOC does rely heavily on BWF to help out which confuses some people into thinking BWF is in total control of Olympic badminton.
    yes it's a totally bad idea to mix IOC and BWF. Both organizations are based on different sets of ideologies and their goals are different, the former works for spreading human spirit through sports and the later works for the betterment of their sport respectively. So their concepts of conducting the sport are different and therefore should not be mingled. I like the current way the world championship is held because a badminton player's career is very short compared to other sports as they are prone to injuries quite often which reduces their career span and also their peak form does not last long in this sport. Consider this, more than 90% of the top players are just from Asia yet there is cut throat competition. One mistake and you are out. Just imagine what if rest of the Europe and the Americas join in the party, will anyone survive?

    BWF need to find ways to give reprieve to players to heals their injuries (minor nibbles which later becomes career threatening) without losing out on their ranking.

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    Courtesy of the Star :

    Here are the comments from some of the coaches and players :

    Mixed reaction to Chong Wei’s remarks on Lin Dan’s wild card

    Reports by RAJES PAUL and K. LIVINGESHAN Pictures by IZZRAFIQ ALIAS and SHAHRUL FAZRY

    Lee Chong Wei does crunches during training for Sudirman Cup. - THE STAR/SHAHRUL FAZRY ISMAIL

    WORLD No. 1 Lee Chong Wei’s rivalry with two-time Olympic champion Lin Dan of China was the hot topic among the badminton fraternity assembled for the Sudirman Cup – despite the absence of the man they call Super Dan.
    Local superstar Chong Wei had cried foul over the Badminton World Federation’s (BWF) decision to award Lin Dan a wild card for the World Championships in Guangzhou and his outburst received mixed reactions from his other rivals.

    China chief coach Li Yongbo said that it was one of BWF’s best decisions.
    “Finally, BWF have done the right thing by putting the interest of athletes first,” Yongbo said after China’s training session at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil yesterday.
    “They also did it the right thing by introducing the instant replay system (to make it debut at the Indonesian Open). The BWF are looking at the interest of players and that’s important to me. Lin Dan may be the first shuttler to benefit from this BWF decision but I’m sure that others will too in the future, including Chong Wei.
    Chong Wei is a close friend of mine and I even attended his wedding last year. I’m not sure what he said to the media but I would like to hear it for myself about this matter. I’ll talk to him.”

    Chong Wei felt that the BWF should not have given the four-time world champion the wild card as China already had three qualifiers – Chen Long, Du Pengyu and Wang Zhengming for the world meet.
    He said that it was unfair to other players who had worked hard to qualify while Lin Dan got in without having played for eight months.

    Japan chief coach Park Joo-bong sided with Chong Wei, saying the BWF got it all wrong.
    “I think Chong Wei is right. The BWF have shown special preference to China. I retired after winning the men’s doubles gold at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games. I came out of retirement after two and half years and competed in the Hong Kong Open,” he said.
    “I did not receive any special treatment although I was an Olympic and world champion. No one gave me a wild card ... I had to qualify like others.
    “This decision looks as though BWF have a soft spot for China although their players keep conceding walkovers in tournaments.”

    Denmark’s No. 1 singles shuttler Jan O Jorgensen, however, had mixed feelings about the issue.
    “I agree with what Chong Wei said. In fact, I tweeted about it. It does seem unfair that Lin Dan gets in easily when others have to work hard to qualify,” said the 25-year-old.
    “But the rivalry between Chong Wei and Lin Dan is huge and it’s great for the fans.
    “I know that Lin Dan will not be on the scene for too long and, for a player like me, playing against him is precious opportunity.
    “I’d rather he compete so that I can get a shot at playing against him.”
    Without Lin Dan in the Sudirman Cup, Jorgensen said that Chong Wei would be the player to beat.
    Jorgensen, however, added that he also had huge respect for reigning All-England champion Chen Long, Japan’s Kenichi Tago, Hong King’s Hu Yun and South Korea’s Shon Wan-ho.
    The world mixed team event starts tomorrow.
    Last edited by nokh88; 05-17-2013 at 11:25 PM.

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    Page 59 of BWF Annual Report 2012..

    "The London 2012 Olympic Games were the centerpiece of a memorable year for badminton, Lin Dan v Lee Chong Wei, the sequel, surpassed even their momentous 2008 Beijing encounter and displayed conclusively why our sport is such a fantastic sporting spectacle."

    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file.aspx?id=438814&dl=1

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    No wonder anyhow, by hook or by crook, BWF wants LD to participate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    Courtesy of the Star :

    Here are the comments from some of the coaches and players :

    Mixed reaction to Chong Wei’s remarks on Lin Dan’s wild card

    Reports by RAJES PAUL and K. LIVINGESHAN Pictures by IZZRAFIQ ALIAS and SHAHRUL FAZRY

    Lee Chong Wei does crunches during training for Sudirman Cup. - THE STAR/SHAHRUL FAZRY ISMAIL

    WORLD No. 1 Lee Chong Wei’s rivalry with two-time Olympic champion Lin Dan of China was the hot topic among the badminton fraternity assembled for the Sudirman Cup – despite the absence of the man they call Super Dan.
    Local superstar Chong Wei had cried foul over the Badminton World Federation’s (BWF) decision to award Lin Dan a wild card for the World Championships in Guangzhou and his outburst received mixed reactions from his other rivals.

    China chief coach Li Yongbo said that it was one of BWF’s best decisions.
    “Finally, BWF have done the right thing by putting the interest of athletes first,” Yongbo said after China’s training session at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil yesterday.
    “They also did it the right thing by introducing the instant replay system (to make it debut at the Indonesian Open). The BWF are looking at the interest of players and that’s important to me. Lin Dan may be the first shuttler to benefit from this BWF decision but I’m sure that others will too in the future, including Chong Wei.
    Chong Wei is a close friend of mine and I even attended his wedding last year. I’m not sure what he said to the media but I would like to hear it for myself about this matter. I’ll talk to him.”

    Chong Wei felt that the BWF should not have given the four-time world champion the wild card as China already had three qualifiers – Chen Long, Du Pengyu and Wang Zhengming for the world meet.
    He said that it was unfair to other players who had worked hard to qualify while Lin Dan got in without having played for eight months.

    Japan chief coach Park Joo-bong sided with Chong Wei, saying the BWF got it all wrong.
    “I think Chong Wei is right. The BWF have shown special preference to China. I retired after winning the men’s doubles gold at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games. I came out of retirement after two and half years and competed in the Hong Kong Open,” he said.
    “I did not receive any special treatment although I was an Olympic and world champion. No one gave me a wild card ... I had to qualify like others.
    “This decision looks as though BWF have a soft spot for China although their players keep conceding walkovers in tournaments.”

    Denmark’s No. 1 singles shuttler Jan O Jorgensen, however, had mixed feelings about the issue.
    “I agree with what Chong Wei said. In fact, I tweeted about it. It does seem unfair that Lin Dan gets in easily when others have to work hard to qualify,” said the 25-year-old.
    “But the rivalry between Chong Wei and Lin Dan is huge and it’s great for the fans.
    “I know that Lin Dan will not be on the scene for too long and, for a player like me, playing against him is precious opportunity.
    “I’d rather he compete so that I can get a shot at playing against him.”
    Without Lin Dan in the Sudirman Cup, Jorgensen said that Chong Wei would be the player to beat.
    Jorgensen, however, added that he also had huge respect for reigning All-England champion Chen Long, Japan’s Kenichi Tago, Hong King’s Hu Yun and South Korea’s Shon Wan-ho.
    The world mixed team event starts tomorrow.
    Tell these guys that Malaysia got 5 wild cards in 2007 WC and ask how they will comment on this... all biased guys...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    Courtesy of the Star :

    Here are the comments from some of the coaches and players :

    Mixed reaction to Chong Wei’s remarks on Lin Dan’s wild card

    Reports by RAJES PAUL and K. LIVINGESHAN Pictures by IZZRAFIQ ALIAS and SHAHRUL FAZRY

    Lee Chong Wei does crunches during training for Sudirman Cup. - THE STAR/SHAHRUL FAZRY ISMAIL

    WORLD No. 1 Lee Chong Wei’s rivalry with two-time Olympic champion Lin Dan of China was the hot topic among the badminton fraternity assembled for the Sudirman Cup – despite the absence of the man they call Super Dan.
    Local superstar Chong Wei had cried foul over the Badminton World Federation’s (BWF) decision to award Lin Dan a wild card for the World Championships in Guangzhou and his outburst received mixed reactions from his other rivals.

    China chief coach Li Yongbo said that it was one of BWF’s best decisions.
    “Finally, BWF have done the right thing by putting the interest of athletes first,” Yongbo said after China’s training session at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil yesterday.
    “They also did it the right thing by introducing the instant replay system (to make it debut at the Indonesian Open). The BWF are looking at the interest of players and that’s important to me. Lin Dan may be the first shuttler to benefit from this BWF decision but I’m sure that others will too in the future, including Chong Wei.
    Chong Wei is a close friend of mine and I even attended his wedding last year. I’m not sure what he said to the media but I would like to hear it for myself about this matter. I’ll talk to him.”

    Chong Wei felt that the BWF should not have given the four-time world champion the wild card as China already had three qualifiers – Chen Long, Du Pengyu and Wang Zhengming for the world meet.
    He said that it was unfair to other players who had worked hard to qualify while Lin Dan got in without having played for eight months.

    Japan chief coach Park Joo-bong sided with Chong Wei, saying the BWF got it all wrong.
    “I think Chong Wei is right. The BWF have shown special preference to China. I retired after winning the men’s doubles gold at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games. I came out of retirement after two and half years and competed in the Hong Kong Open,” he said.
    “I did not receive any special treatment although I was an Olympic and world champion. No one gave me a wild card ... I had to qualify like others.
    “This decision looks as though BWF have a soft spot for China although their players keep conceding walkovers in tournaments.”

    Denmark’s No. 1 singles shuttler Jan O Jorgensen, however, had mixed feelings about the issue.
    “I agree with what Chong Wei said. In fact, I tweeted about it. It does seem unfair that Lin Dan gets in easily when others have to work hard to qualify,” said the 25-year-old.
    “But the rivalry between Chong Wei and Lin Dan is huge and it’s great for the fans.
    “I know that Lin Dan will not be on the scene for too long and, for a player like me, playing against him is precious opportunity.
    “I’d rather he compete so that I can get a shot at playing against him.”
    Without Lin Dan in the Sudirman Cup, Jorgensen said that Chong Wei would be the player to beat.
    Jorgensen, however, added that he also had huge respect for reigning All-England champion Chen Long, Japan’s Kenichi Tago, Hong King’s Hu Yun and South Korea’s Shon Wan-ho.
    The world mixed team event starts tomorrow.
    Who said that? Most obvious would be Lin Dan, but from the text it looks like LYB said that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob3rt View Post
    Who said that? Most obvious would be Lin Dan, but from the text it looks like LYB said that...
    LYB attended his wedding LD missed it

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    For the baddy fans, finally these two players to play each other again - thanks BWF
    we know you know how to sell tickets

    For the participating players, damn one down now two to go

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    why is it in english ?? I thought the interview was in hokkien ?? or tay seu bock translate to malay for them is it ???

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    Loving the drama of the whole situation as it slowly unravels. I understands and accept LCW's complaint with regards to the whole walkover situation that follows LD. But I think he should of had his coach say it for him and he should of said something like no comment or Im going to concentrate on myself and try my best. I think now that he has called out LD, he's putting more pressure on himself if he meets LD because there is this extra layer of emotional baggage when you call out someone.

    My opinion, LD being in the draw is better for LCW, because if he wins the WC w/o LD in the draw, i think many will always say he could only get it without LD playing. Another point if LCW loses w/o LD in the draw, that would be devastatingly disappointing to LCW! But with LD in the draw, if LCW loses he can say China and the BWF has cheated him out of the title. If LCW wins with LD in the draw, the narrative will be LCW conquers China against all odds and without any caveats.

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    Looks like LCW got some explaining to do to LYB or at least LYB will go look for him to talk to him... Oops oops oops... LCW better hide or say smth nice like the he's been misunderstood by the press before LYB finds him... kekekeke

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    Indeed BWF will be critic for giving LD a wild card that seems the be unfair since the other players need to work very hard to earn their place in the WC. Judging from BWF decision in this matter, we don't need Gandalf the white or Master Yoda or Captain America advice why did they do that.....it's simply because the aura of a LD vs DLCW battle is so huge that it is just undeniably the greatest attraction in the world of badminton currently regardless of their respective performance and ranking. This so true for for me that:
    - It's the only match that i'm willing to bet 1000 satay to support DLCW twice.....and end up losing twice in the previous WC and Olympic
    - Most of my applied holiday or m.c for the past many many years happened because of this 2 guys.
    - Most of the sleeping disorder i had is because of the consequences from the battle from this 2 guys

    Regardless of the satay losses I've had, it is still a desire for me to watch again them both battle together and while they're still playing, why not we just enjoy it because i can guarantee you that once both of them has gone, you will miss them.

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    1) yes, we all want to see these two guys play the game.
    2) LD can has the wild card provided due to injury and not due to honey moon.
    3) Even with wild card, it should limited to 3 players per country.

    2 & 3 already make BWF, China and LD in ugly position.

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    An absolute yes to Lin Dan's wild card by BWF to whom I salute wholeheartedly. In fact, I completely agree with Redshuttle that Lin Dan's acceptance is a gift to the badminton world more than the other way round. I'd be utterly disappointed if he had rejected it for whatever reason. No necessity to reiterate all the reasons for it which have been thoroughly discussed and debated here already.

    Actually Lin Dan's inclusion should benefit Lee CW as he will have a golden opportunity to beat a weakened and most vulnerable Lin Dan. As matter of fact, Lee CW should be familiar with a scenario where he had to play (at most) 3 CHN elite MS that included Lin Dan as often happened in previous WCs and Olympics, not to mention other top-notch tournaments, so this coming WC is no different, really.

    Should Lee CW finally take this big title after two near misses in the 2011 WC and 2012 LOG, for which this WC'13, I believe, he is still the frontrunner, it would vindicate him; however,should he fail again, no problem,nothing much to lose as before. I'd like to think Lee CW would want to win the WC with Lin Dan's participation than without as otherwise it won't be the legacy he wish for years down the road; something he cannot be oblivious to if he is to be a true champion. Unfortunately, his self-deprecatory rant against it is self-defeating, counterproductive and unflattering, to say the least. To think that BAM actually awarded themselves 5 wild cards as the host of the 2007 WC, a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    Personally, I'd love to see Lin Dan mounts the winner's rostrum for the fifth time as World Champion. If not, I'd wish to see the final contested between Chen Long and Lee CW or Chen Long and Lin Dan or even one which figures Wang Zhengming and anyone of the aforementioned three main contenders if only to signal the changing of the guards.

    Just a thought on the draw - if I had my way, I would place WZM in the QF followed by LD in the SF against Lee CW before his finale with CL, whatever the outcome along the way; if Lee CW gets sensationally knocked out by WZM in the QF, just too bad, so be it. Having both LD and CL in the same half would eradicate a considerable part of the drama, minimizing the thrills and spills of what promises to be the most memorable event of the year.

    Finally, can't wait for August to come sooner, all thanks to Lin Dan's wild card. Once again, two thumbs up to BWF for making such a beautiful decision.

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    Having heard what everyone have said (including Chong-wei himself and BWF), i have come to the following view:

    Was it fair to grant LD the wild card? I think it was not fair. I have two reasons:

    (1) A person's past conducts (or misconducts) are highly relevant in how BWF ought to exercise its discretion in determining whether to grant him the wild card. LD skipped quite a few Super Series tournaments in the past four-year cycle. When he did show up, he gave quite a few walk overs to his own teammates. He was absent for 8 months after LOG2012. He was fined. If BWF refuses LD his wild card, they would not be not punishing him twice; BWF would simply be taking into account LD's past misconducts when considering whether to grant him the wild card.

    (2) China already got three players qualified in MS. Granting a wild card to the fourth player from China, especially a player with LD's conduct, require extraordinary justification.

    Based on what Thomas Lund had said ("We won't bend the rules for one person"), I was surprise at the final decision. But BWF is not a court of law. It has to consider commercial reality. LD's achievements are indeed extraordinary. Sponsors and fans (including LCW fans) want to see LD play against LCW. I admit I do want to see LD play against LCW. I guess commercial reality prevails at the end. It was the right decision.

    If Hoyer was elected just a month earlier, however, i think things would had been different. Let's see how he will change BWF.
    Last edited by pcll99; 05-20-2013 at 07:24 AM.

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