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05-12-2013, 04:42 AM #35
For doing the deception u have to know ur most comfortable point of contact for both fake and real shot. Like what Gade was doing (net to lift), his contact point for net is about shoulder height, and based on shuttle trajectory it will drop to his second option's contact point which is lift (about waist line). Therefore he has two option and he took the second to deceive the opponent. He wont be able to do that if the shuttle's trajectory is flat, push for example.
Other example would be http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ktP_S838Sxk which i believe the video talked firstly in this post. Taufik's deception on 15:36 was net to crosscourt push. His net contact point is about shoulder height too and he only hold a bit till the shuttle comes to his second contact piont to push, unlike Gade because he was doing net to lift.
so imo it is not holding as long as possible or take higher and lower. It s the difference between your two or more comfortable shot you able to do on particular situation. And again, depending on shuttle's trajectory. Hope this helps.
05-12-2013, 06:44 AM #36
Raymond, you are just misunderstanding what gade said. He said if he did the first motion too early, no one will believe it - because the shuttle is too far away. That means he does NOT have the option of playing it (that much) earlier as you are saying.
Edit, well, he could do the first motion earlier, but you have to change it to make it look like you will actually hit the bird. If you do this as early as possible then there is no hold! That takes away a whole level of deception.
Last edited by amleto; 05-12-2013 at 06:56 AM.
05-12-2013, 07:23 AM #37
Additionally, Gade's hold position is no where close to net/shoulder high for the b/h deception shot that I think we're talking about!
05-12-2013, 12:26 PM #38
Part of the deception is the fact that there's no big back swing. Secondly, his racket head is position to the left side of the oncoming shuttle, making it look like a cross-court shot. Instead, he played a straight shot, without any apparent effort to generate power, yet it's a straight flick.
Last edited by raymond; 05-12-2013 at 12:41 PM.
05-12-2013, 12:45 PM #39
A similar one by Lin Dan
Here's another similar one by Lin Dan. The differences here are: 1. He used set up in the previous few shots, it appeared he moved his opponent left and right alternately with net lift, then he played this fake that looked to be part of the pattern. 2. He took the shot earlier, much closer to net top.
05-12-2013, 12:55 PM #40
Yet another one by Lin Dan
This is another one by Lin Dan:
It worked because his opponent didn't expect him to be able to generate so much power and angle from the position so close to his body. Here, like the one by Gade earlier, Lin Dan didn't take the shot early, nor did he take it the highest point. You can see he was already in position, though he chose to let the shuttle drop, and get closer to his body.
Here's a different one (we'd changed topic, back to OP's thread now ):
@0:20, you can see slow motion. As LJB explained (he had his own video on this), this is a 3-level deception. First hold, as though a net shot is to be played, then withdraw the racket as though a flick is to be played, then a cross-net.
05-12-2013, 01:05 PM #41
Part of the deception is the fact that there's no big back swing. Secondly, his racket head is position to the left side of the oncoming shuttle, making it look like a cross-court shot.
Instead, he played a straight shot, without any apparent effort to generate power, yet it's a straight flick.
Last edited by amleto; 05-12-2013 at 01:18 PM.
05-12-2013, 01:14 PM #42
05-12-2013, 05:26 PM #43
05-12-2013, 05:46 PM #44
As a nice aid to this discussion, please take some time to watch my favourite mens singles player
His name is Pullela Gopichand, and in this match he is playing Peter Gade. I can honestly say that Gopichand is the most deceptive player I have ever seen (possible exception is Zhao Jianhua). He uses a lot more than just double actions that I can see. Many of his shots involve slicing the shuttle to send it in the wrong direction (which is NOT double motion). His ability to hold so many of his shots is quite simply amazing in my book
The rally at 8.00 in part 2 is finished by the most deceptive reverse slice I have ever seen!
Last edited by MSeeley; 05-12-2013 at 05:53 PM.
05-15-2013, 10:50 PM #45
Personally, from what my coaches told me, you only use deception shots when the opponent is READY for your next shot.
If your opponent is already in a poor position after receiving your shot, it is more beneficial to hit the bird early and speed up the pace of the game. By receiving it quickly, it is more difficult for your opponent to recover from his position and receive your shot again. Thus, changing the game into your favour.
If your opponent is ready for your next shot, this makes them more gullible to your actions and it will be more likely for you deception to work. Deception is only to create an opportunity to attack.
That's how I use deception.
05-16-2013, 04:00 AM #46
Thanks for that MSeeley, I really enjoyed that match, do you have a couple more video recommendations for us?
05-18-2013, 10:54 AM #47
05-18-2013, 01:00 PM #48