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    I swear I could hear Tago make some mis-hits in the Jap Open final yesterday, but his net play and smashes seemed about the same as he can pull off with the Z-Slash.

    Still, the Z-Speed matches his shirt better so it's well worth trading across

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    SW table updated with actual weights vs sw

    SW
    G
    2U4
    90
    93.5
    91
    2U5
    91
    92
    92
    94.5
    91
    93.5
    3U4
    87
    88.5
    86
    88.5
    3U5
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    89
    87
    87
    88
    89.5

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    ^ Yep, this is in line with my measurements and experience with it.

    As I said before, the 3U ZSPD has a swing wt in between 3U and 4U ZF. And the shaft has a mid stiff feel like VT70.

    So this is no Nanoray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    I swear I could hear Tago make some mis-hits in the Jap Open final yesterday
    Kamilla Juhl did a very amusing one in one of the first points of the WDF.

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    So can anyone clarify exactly how big/small the Z-Speed head frame is? Is it the same as the Z-Force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    I swear I could hear Tago make some mis-hits in the Jap Open final yesterday, but his net play and smashes seemed about the same as he can pull off with the Z-Slash.

    Still, the Z-Speed matches his shirt better so it's well worth trading across
    Mis-hits or not, as good net play/smashes or not, Tago looks an improved player overall and I don't think it's related to changing rackets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssj100 View Post
    Mis-hits or not, as good net play/smashes or not, Tago looks an improved player overall and I don't think it's related to changing rackets.
    Well dur, it's because his racket matches his shirt better! Never underestimate the power of psychology.

    I am loving Tago at the moment though. He really rose to the occasion last weekend and being able to do that is key in the big tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssj100 View Post
    So can anyone clarify exactly how big/small the Z-Speed head frame is? Is it the same as the Z-Force?
    Iirc there was a comparison photo by vajrasattva last wk on this thread.

    Z Speed has smaller and shorter head, but maintains the isometric shape at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    SW table updated with actual weights vs sw

    SW
    G
    2U4
    90
    93.5
    91
    2U5
    91
    92
    92
    94.5
    91
    93.5
    3U4
    87
    88.5
    86
    88.5
    3U5
    88
    89
    87
    87
    88
    89.5
    you make the experiment?

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    ^ No, from at700.com/swingweight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Iirc there was a comparison photo by vajrasattva last wk on this thread.

    Z Speed has smaller and shorter head, but maintains the isometric shape at the top.
    Post #577

    It looks like they've kept the Z head shape, but managed to make the head narrower at 3 and 9 o'clock.

    They've probably cut the total surface area of the racket down by about 5-7% over a traditional ISO, which is why it would feel faster than it's frame shape would suggest....

    ....which proves my point that aerodynamics is a result of total surface area, not frame shape.

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    ^ To tell you the truth, it sure didn't feel aerodynamic to me when I demoed it. It swung as heavy as it's measured specs. Didn't matter forehand, backhand, attack, or defend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    ^ Yep, this is in line with my measurements and experience with it.

    As I said before, the 3U ZSPD has a swing wt in between 3U and 4U ZF. And the shaft has a mid stiff feel like VT70.

    So this is no Nanoray.
    You did notice the tables are switched around here compared to the ZF one did you? The 3U NRZS has comparable sw numbers to the 4U ZF at most and punches below it's weight by 1-2.5gr. as opposed to the 3-5gr. the 4UZF punches above it's weight. But one thing is for sure: these numbers are different from the rest of the (3U) NanoRays that swing (at least) 4-5gr. below their weight.
    Any 'head light' printing on this thing? Just noticed NR750 has it on the frame ...

    Does sorta fall in line with weight centered around t-joint/lower than top vs top of frame for ZF, assuming that is how the machine's measurement would be affected ...
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    Some more interesting frame size comparisons

    vs NR800:

    Attachment 149804

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    vs NR750

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    You did notice the tables are switched around here compared to the ZF one did you? The 3U NRZS has comparable sw numbers to the 4U ZF at most and punches below it's weight by 1-2.5gr. as opposed to the 3-5gr. the 4UZF punches above it's weight. But one thing is for sure: these numbers are different from the rest of the (3U) NanoRays that swing (at least) 4-5gr. below their weight..
    You tricky bugger!

    So according to that table, it's tilted to less than balanced to slightly head light. Strange considering dry bp is 300mm, and balanced bp is usually around 295mm (eg. Arc 10/11).

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    Copied as is . Not sure why he did it this way but glad enough already he added the actual weights. Doesn't seem to be an error as the 91's from the initial are still in the SW column ...

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    And here's the table for VTZF:


    G
    SW
    3U4
    88.5
    92
    - p ]5 p- [ h+ W: j+ a x; u
    88
    90
    3U5
    89
    92
    1 W6 ]; P4 r% ?, W% [" z N
    8 I3 V" u/ x, ~6 X" {
    88
    91
    4U4
    84
    87
    - q8 E6 ?' l3 p; M2 a; C3 B+ t
    ; n7 u( ~2 H2 b
    82.5
    88
    4U5
    83
    88
    - A7 i' e3 f6 J" ~
    82.5
    87

    So the 3U ZSPD is very similar in SW as 4U VTZF.
    But in the hand the 4U VTZF is much more maneuverable because it's obviously lighter by 5g. This is reflected in my experience with them both.

    Despite same SW, the ZSPD requires noticeably extra effort in all strokes. I'd say it almost requires the same effort as 3U VTZF.
    Last edited by visor; 09-23-2013 at 08:38 PM.

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