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    I don't think any of us appreciate the difficulties that Victor must face regarding distribution. If a ship takes 2-3 months to travel to Germany in addition to manufacture time I have no idea when an order must be placed to meet a specific deadline.

    I believe orders were placed for new goods in early November for delivery in February/March so perhaps a 3-5 month time lag would seem right. What needs to happen to shorten this is Victor's business and I'm sure the people in Germany are as frustrated as we are.

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    Whats wrong with airfreighting a few hundred in? In the global context, if you have something for sale months after someplace else is, you'll lose sales to that place. The brand doesn't care of course because those people will just jump online and buy it from wherever so they can be the first to have it, but you as a distro are losing sales.

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    This is what amazes me about Victor. If I want to get my hands on any high end Yonex racquet here in Vancouver I can get my hands on one in less than an hour. If I decide I want a high end Victor first I have to figure out how many variants of the model there are and which one I want. Once that's figured out, I have to figure out if that particular variant is available in my country, let alone if the model itself is available here.

    Paul with regards to the difficulties Victor faces getting product from Taiwan/China to Europe. Surely it can't be any more difficult than what Yonex faces getting product from Japan to Europe. Let alone the sea of plastic junk (Barbie Dolls, Toothbrushes, Dog Chew Toys ect.) that somehow find their way from Asia to Europe and N. America.

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    good question Maklike. Maybe the exhorbitant costs of airfreight are too much to make this an option. Also, I have no idea of the manufacture planning required to potentially queue jump. Whilst looking in we can all probably come up with simple solutions but the practical reality may be different. At the end of the day you can't make decisions without knowing the numbers.

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    I agree with Thunder.tw

    i honestly was considering the tk6000 but my local supplier in vancouver could not get it and did not know if or when we'll receive them.

    i want to support local, that's why I'm not buying online. I mean, honestly, victor is comparable to Yonex or Li-Ning in terms of global presence, right?

    Then why is there such difficulties with distribution? Albeit Victor being a good brand and all, it could very well leave a bitter taste in a lot of peoples mouths..

    I can't understand how it'll be good for publicity or sales if it takes 3-6 months for some major countries to receive them while Yonex or Li-Ning distributes all their racquets as soon as it's launched, world wide.

    just my two cents

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    We all agree that Victor has come a long way. I came to know Victor bout a yr ago. Before that I was a YY fan. As with the lots of u, we all grew with YY since our younger days. It was unthinkable of me to play with any other brand except YY.

    Fast forward to present, I am bought over by Victor. In short, I fell in love with their rackets. I am pretty sure most of us here feel the same way I do. I personally believe Victor has gain a stronghold of the global market share, majority of which we all know is in Asia.

    Now, if only Victor is willing to take those extra steps in securing its distribution in the Western part of the globe, Victor would have established itself as a truly global brand. Unfortunately, this is not happening yet...

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    I agree Teddy - I'm not sure who supplies to America/Canada but it would seem they need to step up a gear or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyC View Post
    We all agree that Victor has come a long way. I came to know Victor bout a yr ago. Before that I was a YY fan. As with the lots of u, we all grew with YY since our younger days. It was unthinkable of me to play with any other brand except YY.

    Fast forward to present, I am bought over by Victor. In short, I fell in love with their rackets. I am pretty sure most of us here feel the same way I do. I personally believe Victor has gain a stronghold of the global market share, majority of which we all know is in Asia.

    Now, if only Victor is willing to take those extra steps in securing its distribution in the Western part of the globe, Victor would have established itself as a truly global brand. Unfortunately, this is not happening yet...

    I might be a little more forgiving of Victor if they were new but they're not. I bought my first Victor in 1988 it was one of the latest models. I bought it in Thunder Bay, Ontario.... Thunder Bay. So in the 1980s Victor was able to sell its latest model into a market where badminton is about as popular as curling is in the Philopeans. A market were there was no badminton from May until October. Yet fast forward 30+ years and they can't even get their latest models to Europe.

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    Is it that yonex just keep things quiet for longer and only release when the slow boat has reached 'the west', or is it that victor just suck in this regard?

    Paul says that we don't appreciate the difficulties (of Victor distribution), but that is appropriate. Why should we concern ourselves with it? Yonex does much better, at least ostensibly, so it's not like it's an unsolved domain/sector issue. Victor just need to pull their thumb out!

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    I do think you have a point and think Yonex are far better at keeping a new racket under wraps before they choose to release the marketing. Also, there is a culture diffierence too with the Japanese that cannot be overlooked.

    I agree that Victor does need to sort out its distribution issues but here lies the difference. Victor Asia and Europe are different businesses. Europe decides what it wants whereas with Yonex I believe Europe is told what it is having - a big difference.

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    This is also happen in my country, and I received explanation from a reliable source within Victor's distributorship as follows:

    Victor has been restructuring its production activities in its Taiwan factory since the 2nd semester of 2013, which causes some sort of delay to its operation / distribution activities.

    Fyi, since the announcement of MX90 (around August 2013), the delay of distribution for this product also happens in China <-- which is the biggest Victor's market.

    Victor relocated the production of MX80, TK8000 and BS11 to China sometimes around September 2013; and discontinued the production of BS10, MX30L, and MX60 from Taiwanese factory

    The underlying consideration is to set the Taiwanese factory only to produce (1) its prime / flag products (such as MX90 and TK9000), or (2) special products (player's edition or limited edition models) in the future (starting 2014 onwards).


    Whilst the Chinese factory(ies) will producing all other rackets' type/models, which are not being produced in Taiwanese factory. I wish Victor would resume its normal production, and continue the smoothness of its distribution to other countries.

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    Production n distribution r two separate entities. Now even production is being derailed. Imo, there will b delays in retailing their new models (sigh)

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    Let's hope production changes result in faster deliveries in the future but lets remember there are still shipping timescales that cannot be ignored.

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    I'd bet Chris and Eric sell more Victors into Australia than the local distro does, with better supply and faster delivery and access to more models, so I'm not too concerned about traditional distribution models. In the age of e-commerce I think they're outmoded and don't add enough value.

    if you're on the internet, you've got access to everything ever made, so quit whining.

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    I totally agree with you. I wonder how they would deal with warranty? It seems standard practice for all international companies, especially in rackets manufacture only to offer warranty for rackets purchased in that country. To make the fully international distribution work there would need to be many changes in laws. The issue is if I puchase a racket from Eric, my contract is with him and not with the racket manufacturer. So unless there was full support to retailers coupled with full distribution of goods (to ensure replacement of broken/damaged goods/rackets on a like for like basis) it's going to be difficult to change this antiquated system.

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    By the time you have a warranty issue, potentially the money that you've saved is greater than just buying a new racket. Badminton rackets generally just don't fail unexpectedly.....unlike toasters and kettles.

    I agree though, it does make lawmaking and enforcing incredibly complex, and currently the system doesn't really work very well.

    The issue is, is that warranty and 'fit for purpose' laws are there to protect consumers, but for items where warranty returns are statistically irrelevant, distributors use it to artificially inflate prices and justify their cut. "Yeah, we need a 30% margin to allow us to process warranty issues".....yeah, riiight.

    I think when I eventually can justify making rackets, I might have a warranty option where customers can chose two prices - one with a global warranty, and one with no warranty. How that works in terms of global laws I have no idea, but at least it's a very transparent system and at gives customers choice and control over their buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    I'd bet Chris and Eric sell more Victors into Australia than the local distro does, with better supply and faster delivery and access to more models, so I'm not too concerned about traditional distribution models. In the age of e-commerce I think they're outmoded and don't add enough value.

    if you're on the internet, you've got access to everything ever made, so quit whining.
    E-commerce is great but there are times when I want a new racquet in short order and I am not willing to wait 2 weeks or so. Secondly, for a new model I like to try out the racquet before I buy it and just based on personal principle, I won't turn around and buy cheap off the net when a local retailer was kind enough to let me demo a model. So e-commerce is great when the time comes for me to pick up a spare or two of a model I know. But, for new models or those I'm unfamiliar with, I am unwilling to buy blind off the net.

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