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    Can I just add that the only woman I play mixed with is a very good friend of mine and we have a good laugh and enjoy our games together.

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    Plan for next match: wear my "Sheldon trousers" so she insists I stand out of sight. Ie at the rear court.

    The XP70 is so much more effective front court so far, so that's plan B.

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    my old mixed partner can actually hit pretty hard, but lack agility and touch. she can defend well and clear it back up pretty well, but whenever we rotate and i end up in the back, and she in the front, she tends to want to hit everything around her even if it had already passed her shoulders. it was frustrating at first because we played with opponents who i knew we could beat if she just stop trying to intercept everything behind her

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckFeet View Post
    Plan for next match: wear my "Sheldon trousers" so she insists I stand out of sight. Ie at the rear court.

    The XP70 is so much more effective front court so far, so that's plan B.
    Don't think it's will work as she will be looking at the ceiling - where she's planning to hit the shuttle!

    PS: My mixed partner does the exact same thing - except she's scared of smashes and ducks with out even trying to hit back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Don't think it's will work as she will be looking at the ceiling - where she's planning to hit the shuttle!

    PS: My mixed partner does the exact same thing - except she's scared of smashes and ducks with out even trying to hit back!

    that's kinda cute i guess, but cuteness won't win any points and i should probably be grateful for my partner instead of criticizing her all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundamzaku View Post
    my old mixed partner can actually hit pretty hard, but lack agility and touch. she can defend well and clear it back up pretty well, but whenever we rotate and i end up in the back, and she in the front, she tends to want to hit everything around her even if it had already passed her shoulders. it was frustrating at first because we played with opponents who i knew we could beat if she just stop trying to intercept everything behind her
    that's probably one of the more common complaints from the male partner. as from the rear court person point of view, he can hit those shots easily and more offensive as the shuttle is still in front of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundamzaku View Post
    that's kinda cute i guess, but cuteness won't win any points and i should probably be grateful for my partner instead of criticizing her all the time.
    No, not really - there is no excuse for hitting something behind you when you know your partner is there. Perhaps you should just lift the shuttle and play side by side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    No, not really - there is no excuse for hitting something behind you when you know your partner is there. Perhaps you should just lift the shuttle and play side by side.
    Noooooo!

    Actually, it could be worse, lady could lift and not move to side to defend... I nearly walked off court in a match for some partner doing that.

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    We have the opposite problem at my club. Most of the ladies attempt far too few intercepts. To be fair to them, it isn't helped with some of the male players who treat them like glorified net ornaments. However, if I had a quid for every decent smash (steep, just inside straight defender) which gets blocked/pushed 'though' my partner to the open mid-court...

    Personally, I think that good mixed should be as close to level as possible. It is, after all, doubles. As all but a couple of shots are predominantly skill, I don't subscribe to 'weak ladies shall be chained to the T'. However, how's this for an idea when you lady isn't strong enough for the rear-court:

    When defending, if the lady can intercept by moving sideways and/or forward, then it's her shot. Otherwise it's your (the man's) shot.

    Would enable your lady to come back to defend the x-court effectively without her getting stuck in the rear-court. Obviously, if your lady is strong enough, then you can (and should) play level.

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    Well, the more equal the partners are, the more you should play like level-doubles.
    Unfortunately, usually women are weaker then men. Therefore, this special issue of MX-tactics arises. The better you get, the fewer women can play as strong as you play... For a intermediate club-player, there's often enough a woman (from a higher league team or so) with whom this player may play level doubles, just because the two are equally good.

    If the men's standard is above a certain level, women just can't compete in level-doubles.

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    My issue is with people who refuse to learn the strategy and tactics of the game. Skill and Technique requires certain physical abilities - so people might not be able to help the level at which they play the game. However, regardless of your skill level - if you know the strategy, you can atleast try to do the correct things. I don't have a problem if people are attempting to hit the correct shot and miss. But in most cases they hit wrong shot, stand in the wrong place and then look at you and ask why didn't you get that? You're much better than me?

    My usual response is "which team are you playing for? Cause you're supposed to set me up not them!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    My issue is with people who refuse to learn the strategy and tactics of the game. Skill and Technique requires certain physical abilities - so people might not be able to help the level at which they play the game. However, regardless of your skill level - if you know the strategy, you can atleast try to do the correct things. I don't have a problem if people are attempting to hit the correct shot and miss. But in most cases they hit wrong shot, stand in the wrong place and then look at you and ask why didn't you get that? You're much better than me?

    My usual response is "which team are you playing for? Cause you're supposed to set me up not them!"
    Lol Let it out. I have experienced this heavily too, but this happens to me more when playing with highly capable male singles players in level than it does in mixed. "It's like 3 v 1" is my response

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    No, not really - there is no excuse for hitting something behind you when you know your partner is there. Perhaps you should just lift the shuttle and play side by side.
    yea she's actually a better straight doubles player than anything else, unfortunately, still not as strong as or as quick as me so when she is in the back she has a hard time clearing from baseline to baseline while running for a shuttle.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuckFeet View Post
    Noooooo!

    Actually, it could be worse, lady could lift and not move to side to defend... I nearly walked off court in a match for some partner doing that.
    yea, i've played with these women as well, but they are from the same church and i play for fun, it's actually great training, since i'm running a U shape around her standing in the middle, it helps with my reaction time and judgement on shuttle placement

    Quote Originally Posted by Line & Length View Post
    We have the opposite problem at my club. Most of the ladies attempt far too few intercepts. To be fair to them, it isn't helped with some of the male players who treat them like glorified net ornaments. However, if I had a quid for every decent smash (steep, just inside straight defender) which gets blocked/pushed 'though' my partner to the open mid-court...

    glorified net ornaments...LOL, nice!

    Personally, I think that good mixed should be as close to level as possible. It is, after all, doubles. As all but a couple of shots are predominantly skill, I don't subscribe to 'weak ladies shall be chained to the T'. However, how's this for an idea when you lady isn't strong enough for the rear-court:

    When defending, if the lady can intercept by moving sideways and/or forward, then it's her shot. Otherwise it's your (the man's) shot.

    Would enable your lady to come back to defend the x-court effectively without her getting stuck in the rear-court. Obviously, if your lady is strong enough, then you can (and should) play level.
    my problem with my partner is that her reaction is not fast enough to give her enough time to prepare for a shot. i smash, the opponent does a quick low short lift, but just fast enough to go thru her, but since she's short she can take a step back and still use her wrist strength to get it and so that opens up for my opponents to attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by |_Footwork_| View Post
    Well, the more equal the partners are, the more you should play like level-doubles.
    Unfortunately, usually women are weaker then men. Therefore, this special issue of MX-tactics arises. The better you get, the fewer women can play as strong as you play... For a intermediate club-player, there's often enough a woman (from a higher league team or so) with whom this player may play level doubles, just because the two are equally good.

    If the men's standard is above a certain level, women just can't compete in level-doubles.
    agree!

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    I've quit this XD pair from the OP. Only two or three games left of the season anyway.

    Tonight she did some good net kills but against one decent pair she got 30% of her serve in and what seemed like 50% of her shots resulted in me getting hit or easy point for them. That is not fun regardless of how much you are outmatched. There is no excuse for not being able to serve imo.

    Sorry for ranting, some people are just on a different wavelength so I cut my losses. A mate pointed out that I was "tactically arrogant" which I agreed with. I was baiting the man with smashes and counter attacking. Ho hum. My smash is weak right now but mixed is played differently for a reason. Men's match next!

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    @gundamzaku. Not sure I'm following your last post. Doesn't have the reactions to prepare for a shot? How much preparation is required to tap your already-raised racket forwards? Sounds like she's taking too large a swing.

    Am also confused about her taking a step back? If you're smashing, she should be at least a racket's length behind the service line. Therefore, she's already set to intercept anything fast and can come forward to anything slower.

    Apologies if I've misunderstood, but it sounds to me that you're missing a trick.


    I acknowledge that women tend to be weaker than men and thus the need for mixed doubles tactics. However, I feel that the difference is vastly overstated. Doubles is doubles. The attack and defense formations are the same. All that changes are the set-up for when the man is serving or receiving serve & some slight shot selections.


    I empathize with DuckFeet. I had a mixed yesterday and was completely out-of-sync with my partner. We ended up losing to blokes that I thrash in mens'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Line & Length View Post
    @gundamzaku. Not sure I'm following your last post. Doesn't have the reactions to prepare for a shot? How much preparation is required to tap your already-raised racket forwards? Sounds like she's taking too large a swing.

    that's what i thought too, but apparently, even when her racket is up, her reaction is delayed.

    Am also confused about her taking a step back? If you're smashing, she should be at least a racket's length behind the service line. Therefore, she's already set to intercept anything fast and can come forward to anything slower.

    some of the more in between shots where it's over her head and she jumps back just to hit it but i can also jump forward and hit a harder smash, those shots

    Apologies if I've misunderstood, but it sounds to me that you're missing a trick.

    that could be the reason as well, i'm no doubles specialist


    I acknowledge that women tend to be weaker than men and thus the need for mixed doubles tactics. However, I feel that the difference is vastly overstated. Doubles is doubles. The attack and defense formations are the same. All that changes are the set-up for when the man is serving or receiving serve & some slight shot selections.

    that is very true, but it just seems that she's trying to intercept shuttles too late and too many shots then again if i can smash twice as hard maybe they won't come back a second or a third or a fourth time, hehehehe.


    I empathize with DuckFeet. I had a mixed yesterday and was completely out-of-sync with my partner. We ended up losing to blokes that I thrash in mens'.
    it's ok sir, tomorrow's another day, at least that's what i tell myself

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    ...and new season will bring a new partner.

    Predict I will be making a new thread "ladies who don't move off the Top to defend"...

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