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    Quote Originally Posted by R20190 View Post
    Btw, anyone know what's happened to Ha Tae Kwon as Korean Coach? And who are the new coaches?
    Ha is still on the coaching staff. He travelled with the team to the Thomas Cup. They normally split duties. This trip, Ha stayed home and Ahn Jae Chang, Lee Kyung Won, and Choi Min Ho went instead.

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    Three SS titles in three weeks - pretty impressive! Good to see LYD back to his confident self and YYS is getting better and better. The world championships are going to be very interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyMadness View Post
    Three SS titles in three weeks - pretty impressive! Good to see LYD back to his confident self and YYS is getting better and better. The world championships are going to be very interesting!
    whadya mean interesting... it`ll be very boring

    because only ahsan/setiawan is even close to their level, and even then yoo has improved a lot to the point where they are the dominant pair in world md

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    Well lets see how they handle the big stage - world championships are very different to the SS events. I think Ahsan/Setiawan will be hard to beat (but i hope they can). LYD will want to forget the last world championships!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    because only ahsan/setiawan is even close to their level, and even then yoo has improved a lot to the point where they are the dominant pair in world md
    I don't think its just Ahsan and Setiawan to be honest. Ahsan and Setiawan certainly can beat them but they haven't really been playing well and seem like they still have work to do as a pairing.

    However the Malaysian pair Tan/Tan I mentioned in the previous page could prove very difficult for LYD/YYS if they manage to gel together. Their style of play and ability really does go against LYS and YYS's strengths. Did you see that match recently? If I were the Korean coach I would be most worried about this pair (at the moment).

    Endo/Hayakawa are also at their level, although I've not seen much of them lately. But when they are on form, they certainly have the ability to beat LYD/YYS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R20190 View Post
    I don't think its just Ahsan and Setiawan to be honest. Ahsan and Setiawan certainly can beat them but they haven't really been playing well and seem like they still have work to do as a pairing.

    However the Malaysian pair Tan/Tan I mentioned in the previous page could prove very difficult for LYD/YYS if they manage to gel together. Their style of play and ability really does go against LYS and YYS's strengths. Did you see that match recently? If I were the Korean coach I would be most worried about this pair (at the moment).

    Endo/Hayakawa are also at their level, although I've not seen much of them lately. But when they are on form, they certainly have the ability to beat LYD/YYS.
    I would say Tan/Hoon instead of Tan/Tan as the candidate. Also, I think I read somewhere that TBH will be playing with KKK in the World Championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byakuugan View Post
    I would say Tan/Hoon instead of Tan/Tan as the candidate. Also, I think I read somewhere that TBH will be playing with KKK in the World Championship.

    Yes, I think both Tan/Hoon and Tan/Tan would be in the Korean coaches sights. Although I don't think LYD/YYS have lost to them yet, these two Malaysia pairings could give them some serious trouble.

    I said Tan/Tan because actually their strategy in their last meeting was very convincing and effective against LYD/YYS. Aside from Endo/Hayakawa, it was the only other time I have seen LYD/YYS challenged properly. I don't think Ahsan/Setiawan have really threatened LYD/YYS, they were a big threat to LYD/KSY but not to LYD/YYS - although that may be just down to their lack of form.

    If you watch the Tan/Tan vs LYD/YYS match (remember this was a new pairing so they are still getting used to playing with each other), their choice of shots, placement and overall strategy, esp in the first game really exposes the relative weaknesses in the Korean pairing. If Tan/Tan can play well together and maintain good mental strength, I have no doubt that they will be a big threat to LYD/YYS.

    As you said, Tan/Hoon is another pair that have strong potential and know each others game well, so it will be interesting to see how Malaysia decide to pair them up.

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    I also believe that the MAS can form a (or two) strong MD pair. BUT remember new combinations easily shine in the beginning of their partnership (even if they have to work out positioning etc.) because there is no knowledge of the system they play.
    Unfortunatly the MAS MD players lack this absolute will to win. Often they lose in crucial points/moments. But I hope they form a pair that will prove me wrong...
    Anyway LEE/YOO are amazing and great to watch. Because they have almost everything: Serve, Return and third shot to compete on the same level as specialist like Ahsan/setiawn or boe/mogensen - Defense (all Koreans are good at this department) - Attack (both can really penetrate with their attack and keep the iniative) - Netplay (well, LYD is outstanding, but Yoo also is fast and wont give away attack often)

    Well, I just love the Korean way of playing doubles (they are up to work the rallies and esp. with yoo/lee they have a pair that can also finish points fast).

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    I said Tan/Tan because actually their strategy in their last meeting was very convincing and effective against LYD/YYS.
    Although you're mostly correct, I don't think Tan/Tan will be playing together again. There was some obvious frustration at the fact that some critical points were just thrown away, and honestly, it might have cost them the match. That's not the kind of player that wins olympic or world titles.

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    I don't know how we went OT...

    But Tan with anyone else is sure better than with Koo. We shall soon see at WC in late August.

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    these pair is too great like legendary Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo and Kim Dong Moon/Ha Tae Kwon, especially Lee Yong Dae's great frontcourt coverage and Yoo Yeon Seong's super defense...

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    Waaoww! Just saw them at the WC, they are the best pair I ever seen!

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    Unfortunately, against Ko/Shin in the WC final, LYD ended up making uncharacteristic unforced errors, leading to a loss after a close and tightly fought 3 game match.

    Just goes to show that he's not invincible.

    But not to take anything away from Ko, he played very well in using fast drops very effectively, just from the sheer threat of his power smashes.
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    I think everyone on court played pretty great, but Shin and Ko really stepped it up from their usual game. Shin had quite a few great points where he forced a high blocked and followed it up very decisively, and Ko's back court play was supreme.
    While Lee and Yoo played really well too, a few errors on their part and some points where they assumed they had already won it cost them in the end...and they couldnt match their teammates' intensity in those last few rallies.

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    Indeed. All 4 player played brilliantly. But in the end Ko and Shin stepped it up so well that they forced Lee to make a lot of uncharacteristic errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ch1k0 View Post
    Indeed. All 4 player played brilliantly. But in the end Ko and Shin stepped it up so well that they forced Lee to make a lot of uncharacteristic errors.
    Hmm... can't completely agree with that.

    I think everyone except LYD played really well. Ko and Shin did play exceptionally well and it was clear that they had a prepared a game plan and stuck to it whereas YYS/LYD seemed to play their usual game. They definitely deserved to win.

    Ko really has stepped it up in this tournament, the confidence he radiates is so much more than when he played with LYD. I was always critical of Ko in the past for not being mentally determined and confident enough, but the Ko I saw over the weekend was a different person. He has so much confidence that he almost showed a bit of arrogance which is just what I wanted to see in him.

    Shin was great to watch, probably the best I've seen him play. Controlling the rhythm of the attack really well and just solid play overall.

    YYS imo was outstanding. He was carrying LYD imo. YYS has really improved since being paired up with LYD. He still plays the ocassional *huh?* suicidal shots but that "never give up" determination was tremedous. He is also thinking a lot. In the match against Bo/Mo, I saw a number of ocassions when he played shots that deliberately gave LYD the opportunity to come in and dominate the forecourt. It shows that this partnership really is bonding well. Whereas in contrast to LYD's partnership with Ko, it just wasn't there. Ko never really seemed to think about playing specific shots that created opportunities for LYD to do what he does best. It was always about winning the rally himself.

    I have not seen LYD play so badly for a very long time. He made a lot of unforced errors which is very unlike him. He has always been known to be the consistent safe pair of hands. But I sense there was something that was bothering him in the match.

    He did not seem comfortable at all. Never have I seen him serve so badly and play so many shots into the net. May be it was the fact he was playing against team mates in the final of the WC or perhaps playing against a former partner that he had previously been critical of. Whatever it was, something really got the better of him. And I'm sure he would be very dissappointed in himself after that performance.

    Even so, he managed to hold it together enough to give Ko/Shin a hard time but they didn't seem to have much of a strategy that really hurt Ko/Shin. They were playing their usual smash smash smash, defend defend defend. It was too predictable - especially when you're up against players that know your game well.

    LYD and YYS seems to only use the dropshot to get themselves back into a better position for a better smash. They should take a leaf out of Ko/Shin's book and use the disguised tight dropshot or fast drop more. It is so effective against the Korean MD pairings. This was something JJS did very well - which I hope YYS will do more of. YYS does have a good drop, but it could be tighter with a little more disguise.

    Gillian Clarke always comments on how deep the Korean's defensive stance is and although it is true, I think they are doing it deliberately to protect against the hard smashes to the elbow/hip area - which is much easier to defend standing further back. Anything higher than the hip is probably out, so its not a bad tactic if you are fast enough to get to drops too.

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    Hm. I didn't perceive LYD as playing so badly - his teammates were simply excellent at keeping him out of the game, and YYS appeared brilliant because they focussed so much on him. Respect for playing so well under that much pressure, btw, some rallies they played 5-6 excellent attacking shots on him yet he didn't get in a tangle very often. His defense is the most improved aspect of his game since he and Ko were split, in my opinion Ko was usually more reliable in defense in that partnership.
    His improvement around the net is also noteworthy, although that is less technical rather than a question of his approach, with Ko he often wanted to rotate out to the back so badly he barely covered the net at times and didn't commit to a kill very often. No trace of that in the Final yesterday.

    A possible explanation of Lee's performance yesterday might be that he tends to read opponents well and surprises many with what he can intercept and the shots he plays in general. When you train together so much, that element of surprise is reduced to almost nothing - your teammates will have seen most, if not all of your shots and it's much harder to fool them. Yet he caught them wrong-footed surprisingly often, especially his crosscourt attacking play from the back comes to mind. Ko and Shin didn't give him many opportunities to intercept in a decisive manner, though, and his defence was tested more by them than by any other pair he and Yoo encountered since they formed their partnership.

    I really agree on your point regarding Yoo's attacking play from the back. In my eyes he is very solid, but struggles with the finer side of the technical aspects. His lack of a good disguised drop shot would be an example, both Shin and Ko outshone him and Lee in that regard, and JJS was ahead of them by no small margin (although Ko's is more steep, he doesn't quite match his deception).
    I think this loss is a stumble for them, but they'll recover. YYS is a good partner for LYD, more similar to JJS than Ko, which appears to be a better fit for LYD (who can't play with anyone, despite what many of his fans probably believe).
    YYS and LYD have continued working out their weaknesses as a partnership and improved much for it, I don't suspect they'll stop doing that anytime soon, so I expect them to continue doing well on the SS circuit and be big contenders for next year's WC Gold again.

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