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    To be fair to BWF, they did a few things right starting in 2014.

    Korea Open is now only a SS event, not a PSS anymore; whilst Malaysia Open is promoted to PSS. In the past, the January PSS event (ie, Korea Open) was too close to SS Final in December. Beside, Korea in early January is very cold. Malaysia in January has better weather.

    China now only has one PSS/SS event. China Masters is relegated to GPG status. And China Masters and China Open are about six months apart. China Open is moved to Guangzhou; people in Guangdong is happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    There is nothing crazy about 10 PSS/SS tourneys a year. It is the ten tourneys plus two other BWF events (ie, the team events in May and WC/Olympics in the Summer) AND the stupid calendar schedule which make the whole thing very hard on players. There is also the continental championships, league competitions, multi-sport events, regional games, etc.

    BWF obligations, national duties, commercial/sponsors pressure, etc.

    Kinda tough.
    So do players have too many tournaments? Or should the number of tournaments be reduced?

    The first post in this thread said there were too many tournaments - are there too many GP tournaments? What about if you are a player in the top 50. How to get ranking points?
    Last edited by Cheung; 10-05-2013 at 06:46 AM.

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    I agree. There are not to many tournaments. But only the SS are scheduled on tv. I would be happy to see the GPG on tv too, so to see different faces, different encounters on the quarters on.
    IMHO the problem is the tv rights. They must be so low, so the prizes on SS and even SSP are ridiculous.
    But then the quality of retransmission is also very low, with bad camera works, no buzz around the players and the city where the event is held, one commentator for five match in a row, almost no good replay , no statistic during the match, etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    I agree. There are not to many tournaments. But only the SS are scheduled on tv. I would be happy to see the GPG on tv too, so to see different faces, different encounters on the quarters on.
    IMHO the problem is the tv rights. They must be so low, so the prizes on SS and even SSP are ridiculous.
    But then the quality of retransmission is also very low, with bad camera works, no buzz around the players and the city where the event is held, one commentator for five match in a row, almost no good replay , no statistic during the match, etc. etc.
    True.

    I wish they get the hawkeye system started.
    Last edited by pcll99; 10-05-2013 at 10:47 AM.

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    Also, there are not enough International Challenge tournaments. These are lower ranking tournaments but are important for new players/junior players/players coming back from injury. These players often cannot get direct entry into the GP tournaments (not enough points).

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    Exactly. They don't hierarchize the different events and thus they are overwhelmed. I think it is because the different categories of event are not clearly graded. If the SSP and SS were well above the other types of events (except the WC and TC/UB/SC), there would be no problems. All in all it makes about 12 tourneys. To regroup two tourneys in three weeks on a number of occasion is also a good thing, when traveling.
    Here's BWF table

    Rounds BWF Events(BWF World WCH & OG) BWF Superseries Finals &
    Premier
    Super series Grand Prix Gold Grand Prix Intl Challenge
    Intl Series
    Future Series
    Winner
    12000
    11000
    9200
    7000
    5000
    4000
    2500
    1700
    Runner up
    10200
    9350
    7800
    5950
    4250
    3400
    2130
    1420
    *3/4
    8400
    7700
    6420
    4900
    3500
    2800
    1750
    1170
    5/8
    6600
    6050
    5040
    3850
    2750
    2200
    1370
    920
    9/16
    4800
    4320
    3600
    2720
    1920
    1520
    920
    600
    17/32
    3000
    2660
    2220
    1670
    1170
    920
    550
    350
    33/64
    1200
    1060
    880
    660
    460
    360
    210
    130
    65/128
    600
    520
    430
    320
    220
    170
    100
    60
    129/256
    240
    170
    130
    90
    70
    40
    20
    257/512
    120
    80
    60
    40
    30
    20
    10
    513/1024
    60
    40
    30
    25
    20
    10
    5


    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=15370

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    To be fair to BWF, they did a few things right starting in 2014.

    Korea Open is now only a SS event, not a PSS anymore; whilst Malaysia Open is promoted to PSS. In the past, the January PSS event (ie, Korea Open) was too close to SS Final in December. Beside, Korea in early January is very cold. Malaysia in January has better weather.
    Erm....LOL


    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    China now only has one PSS/SS event. China Masters is relegated to GPG status. And China Masters and China Open are about six months apart. China Open is moved to Guangzhou; people in Guangdong is happy.
    Agree with relegation of China Masters to GPG. As to the comment of Guang Dong people being happy, yes, that's a good reason for the move. However, as cities have to bid for the tournament, I thought it would be more likely that Guang Dong put a better bid in rather than BWF wanting to make Guang Dong people happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Erm....LOL


    Agree with relegation of China Masters to GPG. As to the comment of Guang Dong people being happy, yes, that's a good reason for the move. However, as cities have to bid for the tournament, I thought it would be more likely that Guang Dong put a better bid in rather than BWF wanting to make Guang Dong people happy.
    Guang Dong putting in a bid? I thought CBA decides whether it should be held in Shanghai or Guangzhou. Anyone knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    Here's BWF table

    Rounds BWF Events(BWF World WCH & OG) BWF Superseries Finals &
    Premier
    Super series Grand Prix Gold Grand Prix Intl Challenge
    Intl Series
    Future Series
    Winner
    12000
    11000
    9200
    7000
    5000
    4000
    2500
    1700
    Runner up
    10200
    9350
    7800
    5950
    4250
    3400
    2130
    1420
    *3/4
    8400
    7700
    6420
    4900
    3500
    2800
    1750
    1170
    5/8
    6600
    6050
    5040
    3850
    2750
    2200
    1370
    920
    9/16
    4800
    4320
    3600
    2720
    1920
    1520
    920
    600
    17/32
    3000
    2660
    2220
    1670
    1170
    920
    550
    350
    33/64
    1200
    1060
    880
    660
    460
    360
    210
    130
    65/128
    600
    520
    430
    320
    220
    170
    100
    60
    129/256
    240
    170
    130
    90
    70
    40
    20
    257/512
    120
    80
    60
    40
    30
    20
    10
    513/1024
    60
    40
    30
    25
    20
    10
    5


    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=15370
    interesting table, thanks pcll99. But when I say the hierarchy is not clear, i mean between the BWF events (of all ranks) and the other engagements of the players, like club league and exhibition and national championship and all that.
    I also share the opinion that the BWF lower events should play a greater role, bringing live badminton to many places, giving the occasion for young and top 100 players to get some exposure and money.
    if those events were propose for retransmission on the web for an annual fee I would subscribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    interesting table, thanks pcll99. But when I say the hierarchy is not clear, i mean between the BWF events (of all ranks) and the other engagements of the players, like club league and exhibition and national championship and all that.
    I also share the opinion that the BWF lower events should play a greater role, bringing live badminton to many places, giving the occasion for young and top 100 players to get some exposure and money.
    if those events were propose for retransmission on the web for an annual fee I would subscribe.
    Try these youtube channels

    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQONTzFV1lIzkHhT0nxkGUQ

    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF-lreKi_TEUpOC__6lKNAQ

    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm0QCoqaV6fkd9Ph7skfqvw

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    Thank you pcll99, many interesting vids!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    Guang Dong putting in a bid? I thought CBA decides whether it should be held in Shanghai or Guangzhou. Anyone knows?
    Guangdong put a bid to CBA who put it forward to BWF? That would sound logical.

    Agree with more lower level tournaments - I have heard progress on that front

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Guangdong put a bid to CBA who put it forward to BWF? That would sound logical.

    Agree with more lower level tournaments - I have heard progress on that front

    I was at the Macau Open 2006 or 2007 ( can't remember). LCW vs Taufik, guess what, the stadium was 90% empty. less than 100 spectators. It was very embarrassing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    I was at the Macau Open 2006 or 2007 ( can't remember). LCW vs Taufik, guess what, the stadium was 90% empty. less than 100 spectators. It was very embarrassing...
    Well, Macau government supports events to raise the profile of Macau. With such a small population, how much public support are you realistically expecting? I suspect that is why Macau was not awarded the hosting of the world championships. I have been to the Macau open and seen more than 100 people attending before Even HK Open had less than 50people attending a session in the past. That was reported in Badzine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Well, Macau government supports events to raise the profile of Macau. With such a small population, how much public support are you realistically expecting? I suspect that is why Macau was not awarded the hosting of the world championships. I have been to the Macau open and seen more than 100 people attending before Even HK Open had less than 50people attending a session in the past. That was reported in Badzine.
    This is bad organization. In HK, as elsewhere I suppose, many empty seats are in fact places bought by company, but people don't show up. There are so many badminton fans in HK, with a good organisation it should be full pack all the time.

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