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    the linecall against LCW at 18:16 in G1 is a wrong one. but as a top player of the sport and the background that poor linecall is very common in this sport, it will be a shame if you say he is affected.... CL also got a dubious fault call against one of his net kill during the match that CL was surprised, but then went on to win the next point... looks like LCW really need a good sports psychiatrist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Han View Post
    "Psych" is kind of over-rated stuff. My observation when Chinese players play against Chong Wei is patience, let the game grind on into rubber set and Chong Wei will make his share of un-force errors. Even if Chong Wei prevail, the next round is another Chinese player to grind on again ... Solution? We need another Malaysian player capable of escorting Chong Wei to level the playing field else is against all odds when facing these 4(Lin Dan, Chen Long, Wang Zhenming, Du Pengyu) deep into the round. Imagine if we have Chong Wei vs Daren Liew in semi(wishful thinking, I know) and Chong Wei won by walked while other Chinese won by 3 tough games then Chong Wei most probably will win in the final even happen to be in major events like Olympics or World Championship(since it's a wishful thinking, might as well make it big ) .
    To make the dream come true, first must have a dream and stay coma
    Maybe someone more knowlegeable can enlighten whether LCW managed to beat all his China opponents in a single tournament to win the title? I hope this has happened before when LCW was at his prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLELY View Post
    Yup, 2 titles may go to INA camp. The worst scenario may happen to CHN, failing in 4 finals.
    No Lin Dan and Wang/Yu this time as their winning chance are bigger than any opponent in every tournament, let's see and enjoy the finale
    The worst scenario happened to INA shuttlers, empty handed from DEN SSP
    And CHN ruled the finals to bag 4 titles, leaving one title to KOR, congrats

    The most interesting and thrilling is WS, when Wang YH turned the tables to win over Sung JH, what a strong determination by former champion, excellent!

    Lee CW v Chen L, another top class match, second title for Chen L in this year after AE last March, no wonder the Chinese was so emotional to express his winning last night.

    No happy ending for home fans as the last hope Pedersen/Juhl lost to CHN young combo.

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    Whether Lee CW faces the Chinese or anybody else, it's still one match at a time and many times the lesser CHN players lost to him tamely. For sure every player wants to beat Lee CW, not just the Chinese, notably JOJ, HKV, Tanongsak, Kashyap, Rumbaka, just to name a few who are known to push him hard. So it makes little difference whether Lee CW meets the CHN players or non-CHN players before the final. Simply put, if you are a true champion, the best of the best, you will beat everybody else no matter who or where they are from. Saying only the lesser CHN players can stretch Lee CW is a far-fetched excuse as well as a back-handed compliment to the lesser CHN players; at the same time it is unflattering to The Mighty Lee CW to say the least, not to mention demeaning to those non-CHN players I referred to.

    Don't forget, Lee CW mostly lost to either Lin Dan or Chen Long in the final regardless of who he encountered en route. I'm sure there are a few tournaments where Lee CW did not meet any non-CHN players before the final. Remember the Aussie Open where he sensationally went down to Tian Houwei in the semifinal after easily disposing of Qiao Bin the round before. What about those occasions when he beat Lin Dan in the final such as at the All England 2011 where he defeated Bao CL in R2, dealt with Chen Long in the SF before overcoming Lin Dan in the final - all these matches in two straight sets, in fact for every round? Besides,I recall the Battle of The Four Heavenly Kings at Li Yongbo's Dongguan Academy on 11th Nov 2011 where once again Lin Dan overpowered Lee CW who was not stretched by any other lesser CHN player as there wasn't anybody else apart from the two of them with Taufik Hidayat and Peter Gade.

    At the WC, it was DuPY who had four previous grueling three-setters before meeting Lee CW in the semifinal; yet he could pushed Lee CW hard whereas Tommy and WZM before him could not - this speaks well of DuPY's ability and determination. On the other hand, Lee CW had only one grueling three-setter just before the final clash with Lin Dan who was supposed to be not fully match-fit for having laid off almost a year of active competition - that's telling, isn't it ?

    My point above is Lee CW's problem largely lies with himself, not so much with other or outside factors which I needn't elaborate. To me, Lee CW is a great player and I'm grateful to him without whom we wouldn't get to savour so many exciting,memorable matches featuring him with Lin Dan and Chen Long. To say that Lee CW couldn't beat Lin Dan or Chen Long in the final because he was stretched thin by another lesser CHN player before that is to be patronizing towards him, to say the least.

    Let's hope those negative views or excuses for why Lee CW couldn't beat Lin Dan or Chen Long in the final time and again are not instilled or, worse still, entrenched in Lee CW's mind as they can only serve a counterproductive, self-defeating and detrimental effect on him.

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    Honestly, yesterday the way Lee CW fought back from one game and 5-11 down in G2 to back level at 18-all showed amazing fighting spirit, something I've seldom if ever seen him do against Lin Dan. But, alas, at the final moments, Chen Long was just a little bit better to close out the match in two sets. Nevertheless, Lee CW is still very much the player to beat for everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    Sciencetific analysis and all the videos everywhere this days scrutinizing LCW's play by Chinese coaches have helped them to create players like DPY,ZMW and CL whose job is to drag and tire the amazing LCW so that he is a spent force by the time he reaches the finals of major championships.
    .... - that the entire China coaching fraternity has to focus and cracked their brain to stop him! Thats why LCW is so popular in China - an oustanding athlete with tremendous skills and a heart of gold...
    Imagine LCW has the same luxury and supports from BAM.
    Or, has BAM done enough?

    Agreed with Justin L.

    LCW will play for another year or so and he definitely realizes his limits (age, stamina, etc.).
    Last edited by mb111; 10-21-2013 at 07:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    Sciencetific analysis and all the videos everywhere this days scrutinizing LCW's play by Chinese
    coaches have helped them to create players like DPY,ZMW and CL whose job is to drag and tire
    the amazing LCW so that he is a spent force by the time he reaches the finals of major championships.
    Quote Originally Posted by mb111 View Post
    Imagine LCW has the same luxury and supports from BAM.
    Or, has BAM done enough?
    Now Chinese team just updated their analysis system from OLAP (Online analytical processing) to Big Data, which is much more powerful in data mining. China team collected all the match data, to show the pattern of each opponents. For example, to dig out how Lee CW playing style, the pattern of LCW's shots at each position on the court.

    Players may not realize themselves that each player used to react the same at the same situation when there is not enough time to ponder. Everyone's instinct reaction has been developed from his/her natural instinct and training process. The Big Data system, can easily and accurately predict each player's reaction for the next step, therefore, it helps to beat this player.

    In a word, a badminton competition on the court, is far beyond those 2 people and beyond that court they are playing. It's a competition between all the technologies behind to support those players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Now Chinese team just updated their analysis system from OLAP (Online analytical processing) to Big Data, which is much more powerful in data mining. China team collected all the match data, to show the pattern of each opponents. For example, to dig out how Lee CW playing style, the pattern of LCW's shots at each position on the court.

    In a word, a badminton competition on the court, is far beyond those 2 people and beyond that court they are playing. It's a competition between all the technologies behind to support those players.
    2cents
    Thanks for sharing.
    I'm curious. How would you learn about Chinese team switching from their OLAP to Big Data for analyzing a player performance?

    With this state of the art technology, a Chinese player may understand or know more about their opponents' play than the player would themselves.

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    who knows, maybe in the near future we will see professional athletes wearing some sort of google glasses that will give them instantaneous update (based on the current perceived strength and weakness and local arena conditions) as to expose the opponents shortcoming for the next upcoming point. then the differentiating factors will no longer be which country has the better athlete, but the better software/hardware ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Now Chinese team just updated their analysis system from OLAP (Online analytical processing) to Big Data, which is much more powerful in data mining. China team collected all the match data, to show the pattern of each opponents. For example, to dig out how Lee CW playing style, the pattern of LCW's shots at each position on the court.

    Players may not realize themselves that each player used to react the same at the same situation when there is not enough time to ponder. Everyone's instinct reaction has been developed from his/her natural instinct and training process. The Big Data system, can easily and accurately predict each player's reaction for the next step, therefore, it helps to beat this player.

    In a word, a badminton competition on the court, is far beyond those 2 people and beyond that court they are playing. It's a competition between all the technologies behind to support those players.
    don't think that would be even remotely related to big data.
    but statistical analysis is definitely useful for analyzing players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Now Chinese team just updated their analysis system from OLAP (Online analytical processing) to Big Data, which is much more powerful in data mining. China team collected all the match data, to show the pattern of each opponents. For example, to dig out how Lee CW playing style, the pattern of LCW's shots at each position on the court.

    Players may not realize themselves that each player used to react the same at the same situation when there is not enough time to ponder. Everyone's instinct reaction has been developed from his/her natural instinct and training process. The Big Data system, can easily and accurately predict each player's reaction for the next step, therefore, it helps to beat this player.

    In a word, a badminton competition on the court, is far beyond those 2 people and beyond that court they are playing. It's a competition between all the technologies behind to support those players.
    Thanks, nice info I wonder if other countries could afford to fund such a sophisticated technology with the limited prize that BWF's tournaments provide (in comparison to tennis for instance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by markuswair View Post
    Thanks, nice info I wonder if other countries could afford to fund such a sophisticated technology with the limited prize that BWF's tournaments provide (in comparison to tennis for instance)
    sometimes its the intangibles such as prestige. think of the downstream potential, not necessarily for the CBA or the players themselves, but chinese badminton as a whole. put it this way, after the chinese national team wins 50% of all major tournaments and flights, then other foreign nationals (or semi-casual players) would all want to go to china (tourism $$$) to train at one of the badminton training centers. in essence this is why players go to malaysia/indonesia/china/denmark to train, when they cannot find optimum training potential in their home countries. because they want to have that "china experience", just like why die hard martial artists go to shaolin temple to train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Han View Post
    "Psych" is kind of over-rated stuff. My observation when Chinese players play against Chong Wei is patience, let the game grind on into rubber set and Chong Wei will make his share of un-force errors. Even if Chong Wei prevail, the next round is another Chinese player to grind on again ... Solution? We need another Malaysian player capable of escorting Chong Wei to level the playing field else is against all odds when facing these 4(Lin Dan, Chen Long, Wang Zhenming, Du Pengyu) deep into the round. Imagine if we have Chong Wei vs Daren Liew in semi(wishful thinking, I know) and Chong Wei won by walked while other Chinese won by 3 tough games then Chong Wei most probably will win in the final even happen to be in major events like Olympics or World Championship(since it's a wishful thinking, might as well make it big ) .
    To make the dream come true, first must have a dream and stay coma
    This "Chinese players grind down Lee Chongwei" BS has gotta stop. The implication here being what? Finish that thought for me, that if he met non-Chinese players in the earlier rounds he will somehow have an easier time; that said non-Chinese players wouldn't strategize to maximize their chances or otherwise play their best; for that matter, they wouldn't do the very same against a Chinese player, say Lin Dan?

    Whether it was your intent or not, you just called into question and insulted the professionalism of the entire cohort of badminton players. Lee Chongwei may very well have an easier time against Kenichi Tago or Nguyen Tien Minh compared to Chen Long and Du Pengyu. But that is because Chen and Du are better players, not because Tago or Nguyen are any less willing to "grind" him down.

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    The story from Denmark continues.

    It turned out that WS winner WYH also got bitten by bugs in Denmark and is having a severe skin problem on her arm that forced her to skip a match in the Chinese Badminton Super League. LXR withdrew from the Denmark Open early due to the same problem.

    It was reported that the bed in the hotel was too soft so WYH slept on the floor and got bitten by the bugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedShuttle View Post
    The story from Denmark continues.

    It turned out that WS winner WYH also got bitten by bugs in Denmark and is having a severe skin problem on her arm that forced her to skip a match in the Chinese Badminton Super League. LXR withdrew from the Denmark Open early due to the same problem.

    It was reported that the bed in the hotel was too soft so WYH slept on the floor and got bitten by the bugs.
    If we follow the script of the AC incidence in WC final of LDvsLCW - perhaps the korean
    change WYH's bed and let loose the bug, which is actually a mini drone...
    but WYH being the fighter that she is gritted her teeth and played the final and win
    at the expense of her beauty...
    I have a strange feeling that the same bug must have bitten LCW just before his
    semifinal vs KT....

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    Hard to prove unless you can catch the same bug and do a test.

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