eBay Auction Watch & Shopping Enquiries

**klc28** · 12-10-2008, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by bestbacon

After reading many posts on the forum advising me to stop purchasing badminton racquets off ebay. I came across this ebay seller who is currently selling an AT-700 Limited for $100+. The seller states that the product is an original product of yonex but not the retail version. So heres where the confusion comes in... What is this racquet exactly then?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/YONEX-YY-ARMORTEC-AT-700-AT700-LIMITED-T-JOIN-RACKET_W0QQitemZ250340209772QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRac quets?hash=item250340209772&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_ trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A131 8

Thanks for helping me in advance! Cheers!

Bestbacon - You are using your BF skills but not using your Ebay skills. Look at his feedback. Other buyers have already said that the seller has previously sold fakes (they incorrectly call them clones).

Use your Ebay skills to look for other clues as to why this seller is selling fakes for sure..

Still want to believe the seller?

There are many sellers on Ebay who have been previously confirmed by BF users as sellers of genuine products (Sumai03 et al), they are just hard to find in a sea of fake sellers. If you are looking for a genuine Yonex Arc or Nano series, you will need to be most careful.

**Daran** · 12-10-2008, 06:29 AM

Hi I have posted this
"Hi
Could you please help me? I wanted to know whether this Yonex Arcsaber7 is fake or Original
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=170275394500

Seller also provide the serial number :
racket model: Yonex Arcsaber
shaft serial: 7653639
cone code : 090583UK
source : From ebay.co.uk
price :GBP 87
Please let me know early as possible."

Please anyone could you trace the serial number and let me know fake or Original?

Thanks in advance

**epermana** · 12-10-2008, 06:46 AM

The listing does not have much description/pictures of the rackets. Hard to tell imo.

**klc28** · 12-10-2008, 09:53 AM

Daran - I'm with epermana. To be sure, ask for photos of the product you will get if you win.

In any case the seller is a bricks & mortar business in Truro UK selling with a BIN (Buy-It-Now). That means you're protected by UK law and distance selling regs. Just pay via PAYPAL and send it back using Special Delivery if there's any doubt.

**sudirman** · 12-10-2008, 10:18 AM

UK serial should be alright i guess.

**Daran** · 12-10-2008, 10:34 AM

Thanks klc28, I hope you also can check the serial number? any chance?

**klc28** · 12-10-2008, 12:10 PM

Daran - The serial is in line with my expectation but note that I do not run a serial number DB like leehsim does. I check for a whole basket of things on an Ebay seller before I buy as serials, by themselves, cannot be used as proof whether a racket is genuine or not. That is why, when a racket serial checks out, leehsim stills says you need to inspect the racket to be sure.

However, all thing considered, and without any further info than what you have provided, I would be happy to buy from this seller with UK consumer law protecting you. Just check it when you get it in your hands.

BTW-Good find! (IMHO)

**dassad** · 12-13-2008, 02:11 PM

ok I still want to try some example though I have been starting to understand ebay seller's logic.

For example, some 2 links with low prices
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Pair-New-Yonex...3A1%7C294%3A50
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Yonex-...3A1%7C294%3A50
for top racquets -
just fakes in principal (because of the price)?

and for example good price - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-YONEX-ARMORT...3A1%7C294%3A50
can be interesting, I mean I can start to ask seller about photos and so on?

**Danstevens** · 12-13-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by dassad

ok I still want to try some example though I have been starting to understand ebay seller's logic.

For example, some 2 links with low prices
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Pair-New-Yonex...3A1%7C294%3A50
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Yonex-...3A1%7C294%3A50
for top racquets -
just fakes in principal (because of the price)?

and for example good price - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-YONEX-ARMORT...3A1%7C294%3A50
can be interesting, I mean I can start to ask seller about photos and so on?

We can certainly say links 1 and 2 are fake. Link 3 is more promising. I suggest you ask for some more pictures and for the shaft and cone codes. With those two things, you can generally build up a good picture as to whether a racket is genuine or not.

**dassad** · 12-13-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danstevens

We can certainly say links 1 and 2 are fake. Link 3 is more promising. I suggest you ask for some more pictures and for the shaft and cone codes. With those two things, you can generally build up a good picture as to whether a racket is genuine or not.

ok i see
is this fact that seller from China looking not so good?

**epermana** · 12-13-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by dassad

ok I still want to try some example though I have been starting to understand ebay seller's logic.

For example, some 2 links with low prices
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Pair-New-Yonex...3A1%7C294%3A50
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Yonex-...3A1%7C294%3A50
for top racquets -
just fakes in principal (because of the price)?

and for example good price - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-YONEX-ARMORT...3A1%7C294%3A50
can be interesting, I mean I can start to ask seller about photos and so on?

Personally, I don't think Yonex rackets come with tags. Instead, every racket should have front cover secured by an elastic strap at the bag. Hard to explain unless someone can be kind enough to post a picture. So listing 1 and 2 are out. The plastic wrap on the racket grip of the first listing.... nuff said, it's too fake

Listing 3 could be genuine. I believe "iooho" is the same seller as "badmintondeals" (http://myworld.ebay.com/badmintondeals/) as both of their profiles have the same description, as seen below. I believe they do so to target 2 different markets, that's all.

"Welcome to our "iooho/badmintondeals" eBay store! We are the largest authourized dealer of YONEX in Hong Kong, specialising in Badminton products like rackets, strings, clothings, footwear & accessories. All products listed are guaranteed to be AUTHENTIC and GENUINE. Feel confident & shop happily from us! @^_^@ "

I have dealt with badmintondeals before, buying 2 pairs of yonex shoes and 1 yonex shirt and they look genuine to me. No guarantee though.

I actually have a guide to spot yonex counterfeit, which I updated regularly. It may not be complete. So, if I miss anything which could be useful in helping the community, let me know.
http://reviews.ebay.com.au/How-to-Sp...00000007203697
I do sell rackets once in a while =>

**ryim_** · 12-14-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by dassad

ok I still want to try some example though I have been starting to understand ebay seller's logic.

For example, some 2 links with low prices
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Pair-New-Yonex...3A1%7C294%3A50
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Yonex-...3A1%7C294%3A50
for top racquets -
just fakes in principal (because of the price)?

and for example good price - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-YONEX-ARMORT...3A1%7C294%3A50
can be interesting, I mean I can start to ask seller about photos and so on?

iohoo (third link) is a seller that sells authentic rackets. it has been mentioned on BCD before.

**xa2nxb0ix** · 12-14-2008, 04:07 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-YONEX-...3A1|240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Pair-New-Yonex...3A1|240%3A1318

**dassad** · 12-14-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by xa2nxb0ix

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-YONEX-MUSCLE-POWER-100-Badminton-Rackets_W0QQitemZ250334547623QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAc cessories?hash=item250334547623&_trksid=p3286.c0.m 14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Pair-New-Yonex-MUSCLE-POWER-99-Badminton-Racket_W0QQitemZ280291359716QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAcc essories?hash=item280291359716&_trksid=p3286.c0.m1 4&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

ok just as I have checked such variants before, it is going to be 100% fake

Look for smth about 100 USD per racquet and then will see

**klc28** · 12-14-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by dassad

ok just as I have checked such variants before, it is going to be 100% fake

Look for smth about 100 USD per racquet and then will see

Dassad - Well Done! You've correctly identified those two listings as fakes. Can you now show us some genuine ones?

By the way, price is not an indicator. Fakes have been known to be sold at low and high prices. This is especially true if it is an auction where genuine rackets can have a low start price.

**xVisualize** · 12-14-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by xa2nxb0ix

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-YONEX-MUSCLE-POWER-100-Badminton-Rackets_W0QQitemZ250334547623QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAc cessories?hash=item250334547623&_trksid=p3286.c0.m 14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Pair-New-Yonex-MUSCLE-POWER-99-Badminton-Racket_W0QQitemZ280291359716QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAcc essories?hash=item280291359716&_trksid=p3286.c0.m1 4&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

The wrapping on the grip looks funny, and that's a armortec case not a muscle power case. The yonex logo on the strings is WAY too far apart. I also bought a set of nanospeeds like this off of ebay, on the listing it said the string tension was 27-28lbs but I thought it was a recommendation. When it came the sticker actually said 27-28lbs, which is really.. fake I think o.o
Correct me if I'm wrong, just trying to help XD

**dassad** · 12-15-2008, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by klc28

Dassad - Well Done! You've correctly identified those two listings as fakes. Can you now show us some genuine ones?

By the way, price is not an indicator. Fakes have been known to be sold at low and high prices. This is especially true if it is an auction where genuine rackets can have a low start price.

are you talking about auctions only?
if no, did you really see some good AT or NS selling for .. 40 USD somewhere?