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**tir168** · 07-15-2004, 12:25 AM

abt the fake shoe, we do have a lot of those models here. It is a fake just a strip down version of the original shoe. I think it was name "World Champion 2" or something.

**Winex West Can** · 07-15-2004, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mamado

Check this link; http://cgi.es.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....688276550&rd=1
Anyone wantÂ´s to buy?!

hehe

This is off-topic but that item has been ruled to be a fake (i.e. it's not the actual ball that Beckham kicked into the standards on his missed penalty shot).

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/fo...eut/index.html

**Qidong** · 07-15-2004, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Winex West Can

This is off-topic but that item has been ruled to be a fake (i.e. it's not the actual ball that Beckham kicked into the standards on his missed penalty shot).

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/fo...eut/index.html

From the CNN article, actually the ball is the actual ball, it's the bidder that who is fake. But I still can't believe someone will pay 23K Euro to buy it.

**bluejeff** · 07-19-2004, 07:38 PM

Here is another Fake AT800 racquet on eBay. Obviously, there are just too many spots that are too easy to see.

1. 2UG3? You gotta be kidding me.
2. CSC fat cap is not there.
3. Offensive should be orange/yellow, not green
4. Serials starts with 3815xxx should be something before 2002, even my 2002 MP88 is starting with 39xxxxx, but back in 2002 we have no AT800, not even 700 yet!

and there are others......too lazy to type all out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3689675699

PS: Interesting that the seller stated the serials is engraved, I guess fakes are catching up. We now need to look harder at serials.

**klc28** · 07-20-2004, 06:45 AM

That ad highlighted by Bluejeff should be used as a learning tool to see how many faults a buyer can find.

What kind of a fake is it when even the colour is wrong

There are honest sellers on Ebay selling the genuine article. Sellers like this guy need a Bobbit.

**LazyBuddy** · 07-20-2004, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by bluejeff

Here is another Fake AT800 racquet on eBay. Obviously, there are just too many spots that are too easy to see.

1. 2UG3? You gotta be kidding me.
2. CSC fat cap is not there.
3. Offensive should be orange/yellow, not green
4. Serials starts with 3815xxx should be something before 2002, even my 2002 MP88 is starting with 39xxxxx, but back in 2002 we have no AT800, not even 700 yet!

and there are others......too lazy to type all out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3689675699

PS: Interesting that the seller stated the serials is engraved, I guess fakes are catching up. We now need to look harder at serials.

Ok, here's his "AT800 DF": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3689642004

But the color is red??? Lol...

**FEND.** · 07-20-2004, 07:52 AM

The 2U/G3 is killing point. Plus the colour really makes it a noticable fake.

Dumb seller.

~Cheers

**Neil Nicholls** · 07-20-2004, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by wood_22_chuck

That's cause in Europe, they use commas and dots the other way around.

1000 point zero one = 1,000.01 here
1000 point zero one = 1.000,01 there

-dave

*cough*
not all of Europe

**Qidong** · 07-20-2004, 11:42 AM

Thanks BlueJeff providing all these knowledges to indentify fake racquets. But I wish the fake racquet producers are not browsing this forum. I think all these are easy to fix, and it will tougher to identify the fake ones.

**bluejeff** · 07-20-2004, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Qidong

Thanks BlueJeff providing all these knowledges to indentify fake racquets. But I wish the fake racquet producers are not browsing this forum. I think all these are easy to fix, and it will tougher to identify the fake ones.

It's OK, no matter how much they improve, fakes are still fakes and even if they are 99% the same, I will still try my best to find that 1% difference and bunch them in the face

If they can copy 100%, then great!! they just become genuine.....

**bluejeff** · 07-20-2004, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by LazyBuddy

Ok, here's his "AT800 DF": http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3689642004

But the color is red??? Lol...

He is probably the worst fakes seller I have ever seen.....

**Muteki** · 07-20-2004, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by bluejeff

Here is another Fake AT800 racquet on eBay. Obviously, there are just too many spots that are too easy to see.

1. 2UG3? You gotta be kidding me.
2. CSC fat cap is not there.
3. Offensive should be orange/yellow, not green
4. Serials starts with 3815xxx should be something before 2002, even my 2002 MP88 is starting with 39xxxxx, but back in 2002 we have no AT800, not even 700 yet!

and there are others......too lazy to type all out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3689675699

PS: Interesting that the seller stated the serials is engraved, I guess fakes are catching up. We now need to look harder at serials.

5. The frame should be Ultra H.M. Graphite + gForce Ti, not Ultimum Titanium
6. The OF version should be Extra Stiff, not stiff....says on the shaft!!

**firehorse** · 07-20-2004, 03:59 PM

anybody report this to ebay yet?

**jez7375** · 07-20-2004, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by firehorse

anybody report this to ebay yet?

I am not sure if they even care, would they?

**bluejeff** · 07-20-2004, 06:59 PM

eBay cares about fake items, but it is hard for a regular person to see if the racquet is fake or not (if this person never seen the real ones before), so they would most likely do nothing about it. And since Yonex, Inc is NOT participated in the VeRo Program, there is no way to stop fakes selling on ebay at this moment.

The best I can do is to post information here in this thread, and hopefully people would see it......

**prophet** · 07-20-2004, 07:23 PM

This seller has a good feedback rating (98%). I wonder if he has sold racquets before? Maybe he doesn't know its a fake? (Unlikely, I think).

I think in many cases, the buyers are unaware that they are buying a fake and when they receive the racquets, it all looks good. They are happy with the purchase and give a good feedback rating. It would seem that if someone was a diligent badminton buyer, they would do the research to find out what distinguishes fakes from real racquets. It's good that we have a forum and BFers here to help in that regard.