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    Athlete Whereabouts Information and ADAMS

    http://www.antidoping.hk/rights_and_...=whereabouts#2

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    From the main WADA site, a snippet:

    How easy is it for athletes to enter and update their whereabouts information?


    Athletes can easily enter their whereabouts information on ADAMS. Athletes are trained to use ADAMS by their IF or NADO, which were themselves trained by WADA. In addition, WADA offers a number of resources to users (user guides, etc.).
    Athletes can update their whereabouts information at all times, including by emailing or text messaging their relevant ADO.
    Under the revised International Standard for Testing which went into force on January 1, 2009, the limited number of top elite athletes included in the registered testing pool of their IF or NADO are required to specify 1 hour each day (between 6 a.m. and 11 p.m.) during which they can be located at a specified location for testing. If they are not at the indicated location at the specified time, they expose themselves to the risk of a missed test.
    In addition, they are required to indicate their regular activities for testing purposes. This information does not have to cover every 24/7 movement of the athlete but only recurring or regular activities, for example:
    Overnight home (address)
    Morning training (address)
    14:00 – 15:00: training (available for testing).

    Does ADAMS have a specific module for whereabouts of team sport athletes?
    Yes. Under the 2009 International Standard for Testing, in team sports, whereabouts information can be submitted by team officials on a collective basis as part of the team’s activities.
    ADAMS contains a module for team sports which allows an ADO to create a role for a team official. The team official then can enter whereabouts information on a collective basis for athletes of his/her team who are part of their ADO registered testing pool.
    ADAMS subsequently informs the athlete that the team official entered new data and requests the athletes to accept or reject the submission made by the team official.
    Athletes are ultimately responsible for their whereabouts. As a result, they cannot avoid responsibility by blaming their representative or the team for filing inaccurate information about their whereabouts or for not updating their whereabouts if they were not at the location specified by them during the 60-minute time-slot.


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    http://www.wada-ama.org/en/ADAMS/QA-on-ADAMS/

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    Interesting article from a journalist that tries the system out.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyc...stid=109325565

    "You can now change that specified hour up to 60 seconds before it is due to start, by sending a text message, phoning a dedicated number or by going online and accessing Adams."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
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    PS: By the way, 'whereabouts information' can be updated even right before the period begins. So, claiming that "it was a last-minute change of schedule or plan" will not be a useful defence in an appeal against the ban.
    Surely, in this age of 'connected 24/7' devices, the player has it easier.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    thanks.

    so, athletes update the information once every three months?

    but i assume they can amend the information after they are submitted, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    Interesting article from a journalist that tries the system out.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyc...stid=109325565

    "You can now change that specified hour up to 60 seconds before it is due to start, by sending a text message, phoning a dedicated number or by going online and accessing Adams."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Surely, in this age of 'connected 24/7' devices, the player has it easier.
    Surely someone can write an app that constantly updates his location to the ADAMS via gps on the smartphone.

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    More abut "Whereabouts" from WADA.

    http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Anti-Dopi...n-Whereabouts/

    Excerpts:

    What are whereabouts?

    Whereabouts are information provided by a limited number of top elite athletes about their location to the International Sport Federation (IF) or National Anti-Doping Organization (NADO) that included them in their respective registered testing pool as part of these top elite athletes’ anti-doping responsibilities.


    Why are whereabouts important for clean sport?

    Because out-of-competition doping controls can be conducted without notice to athletes, they are one of the most powerful means of deterrence and detection of doping and are an important step in strengthening athlete and public confidence in doping-free sport. Accurate whereabouts information is crucial to ensure efficiency of the anti-doping programs, which are designed to protect the integrity of sport and to protect clean athletes.

    The concept of out-of-competition is not new. Experience has shown that out-of-competition testing is crucial to the fight against doping, in particular because a number of prohibited substances and methods are detectable only for a limited period of time in an athlete’s body while maintaining a performance-enhancing effect. The only way to perform such testing is by knowing where athletes are, and the only way to make it efficient is to be able to test athletes at times at which cheaters may be most likely to use prohibited substances and methods.


    Are all athletes subject to these whereabouts requirements?

    No.
    Whereabouts requirements are for the limited number of top-level athletes who are in the registered testing pool of either their IF or NADO. They were designed to give those top-level athletes a flexible tool to show their commitment to doping-free sport, as well as appropriate, sufficient and effective privacy protection.

    WADA is not responsible for deciding who should be part of these registered testing pools. IFs are afforded discretion as to who should be subject to these provisions internationally, and NADOs are afforded discretion to create a registered testing pool at the national level. It is WADA’s recommendation that registered testing pools be of proportionate and manageable size and focus on top international and national elite athletes.

    Is it true that whereabouts rules were made more difficult for athletes to manage?

    No.

    The new element introduced is the harmonization, requested by WADA’s stakeholders during the revision process, of the various whereabouts requirements applied by different anti-doping organizations. Stakeholders requested the harmonization of whereabouts requirements among Code signatories, i.e. to a broader range of sports.

    A number of pre-existing regimes involved athletes providing more extensive whereabouts information than is now required. Following extensive consultation, this mandatory whereabouts requirement was in fact reduced from the more flexible yet more demanding 24/7 requirement previously applied by a number of sports and countries of the world. Now it is the same rule for all, with the same potential sanction. This avoids the scenario we saw in the past where an athlete from one sport was sanctioned 12 months for 3 missed tests, yet another athlete from the same country but a different sport received 3 months.

    Athletes can update their 60-minute time-slot and their whereabouts at all times, including by emailing or text messaging their relevant anti-doping organization. If they miss a test, they have the opportunity of providing a reason. If this excuse is accepted by the relevant anti-doping organization, then the missed test is not part of any record and does not count as one of three missed tests required within 18 months before any sanction is considered by the relevant ADO.

    All organizations and individuals (including athletes) who decided to participate in the consultation process that led to their approval of the revised IST that took effect on January 1, 2009, agreed that these requirements were sensible, proportionate, and part of the responsibility of top level athletes to protect the integrity of their sport.

    Do athletes have to provide and update their whereabouts information themselves?

    Athletes can have their agent or another representative submit their whereabouts information if they wish to. In team sports, whereabouts information can be submitted by team officials on a collective basis as part of the team’s activities.

    However, athletes are ultimately responsible for their whereabouts. As a result, they cannot avoid responsibility by blaming their representative or the team for filing inaccurate information about their whereabouts or for not updating their whereabouts if they were not at the location specified by them during the 60-minute time-slot.

    Do Anti-Doping Organizations only test athletes who are subject to whereabouts requirements?

    No.

    Whereabouts requirements are a practical tool to help ADOs conduct effective out-of-competition testing. Irrelevant of whether they have been selected to be part of a registered testing pool, athletes can still be tested out-of-competition by their IF, their NADO or other ADOs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Surely someone can write an app that constantly updates his location to the ADAMS via gps on the smartphone.

    That really would be big brother stuff.
    I think at least it can be conceded that the purpose of WADA and testing is to catch drug cheats. But what is happening is people are being punished for being poor at administration and organization(not even necessarily missing a tester at said place, you can just be caught for not updating or having wrong detail that they cross check), with this in mind I think the system is carrying out an injustice here with 1-2 year bans. The system has to work somehow, but that doesn't stack up for me.

    As it stands, no hope for LYD and Kim appeal going well though, it's pretty clearly laid out.
    Last edited by craigandy; 02-03-2014 at 09:22 PM.

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    To those who PM-ed about what ADAMS is:

    It's the Anti-Doping Administration & Management System.
    It's run and maintained by the WADA - the World Anti-Doping Agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Surely someone can write an app that constantly updates his location to the ADAMS via gps on the smartphone.
    In fact, there's already an official ADAMS App.
    And it works precisely how you wanted it - by GPS

    It's been available since April 2013.
    (Incidentally, it was first developed by the Anti-Doping Agency of The Netherlands for their own athletes' use.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    That really would be big brother stuff.
    I think at least it can be conceded that the purpose of WADA and testing is to catch drug cheats. But what is happening is people are being punished for being poor at administration and organization(not even necessarily missing a tester at said place, you can just be caught for not updating or having wrong detail that they cross check), with this in mind I think the system is carrying out an injustice here with 1-2 year bans. The system has to work somehow, but that doesn't stack up for me.

    As it stands, no hope for LYD and Kim appeal going well though, it's pretty clearly laid out.
    Yes, this current system places a significant burden on the athlete to be where he says he is, just so that we can keep the world of sports free of PED's. It is a heavy price for these athletes to accept and pay, and the room for injustice meted out is unacceptably high.

    May as well insert gps chips under their skin to simplify tracking and updating their "whereabouts". No worries of forgetting to enter info or change info if there's a sudden change in location. Think about it: insert the chip or risk a 1-2 yr ban.
    Last edited by visor; 02-03-2014 at 09:47 PM.

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    There you go...
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adam...7919?ls=1&mt=8

    The WADA also has another app to help athletes find out if a particular substance is on the prohibited list.
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/wada...408057950?mt=8

    And quite a few national sports bodies have their own apps that athletes can use to check whatever they intend to use (or are already using) against the updated checklist put out by the WADA.

    Denmark, Ireland, Switzerland, Lithuania, The Netherlands are a few of the countries that have developed their own app to help keep their sportspersons out of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    In fact, there's already an official ADAMS App.
    And it works precisely how you wanted it - by GPS

    It's been available since April 2013.
    (Incidentally, it was first developed by the Anti-Doping Agency of The Netherlands for their own athletes' use.)
    That app doesn't constantly update your location via GPS as visor stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    That app doesn't constantly update your location via GPS as visor stated.
    Of course, the GPS function is not going to fill in your whereabouts details for you.
    But it has its uses.
    http://adams-docs.wada-ama.org/displ...ailing+Address

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    Of course, I was purposely being facetious when suggesting gps chip insertion... In order to make a point about the hefty price and loss of freedom that athletes must face, in order to catch a few cheats. I don't have any solutions, but there must be a better way.

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    Even this (below) would be better to stop naive young athletes who get everything organized for them and trust their coaches/team too much getting caught out.(which is what happened in this case)

    Fine after 3 failures. 1 more strike and out for 2 years. After the initial 3, a meeting must be held between the athlete and wada, so wada can inform athlete that he needs to take over responsibility and show him availability of all these great apps etc, Give him a chance at least.

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