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    and speaking on loss of freedom, when was the last job or career that we had that required us to post up our whereabouts for 365 days a year 24 hours a day... or face being laid off for 1-2 yrs if wrong?

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    BWF is the authority that issues the sanctions. BWF draws up specific regulations for badminton players. Here is the complete file for anti-doping Regulations prepared by BWF and effective January 1, 2009.

    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=27545

    The regulations appear to be very comprehensive. The Regulations have been in place since 5 years now. The Associations are clued in. The players are clued in. For the relevant sections of sanctions (skipping testing etc) go to page 13, read from 10.3 onwards.

    Also of interest is to go to Page 20 and read up on Sanctions and Costs assessed against Member Associations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    and speaking on loss of freedom, when was the last job or career that we had that required us to post up our whereabouts for 365 days a year 24 hours a day... or face being laid off for 1-2 yrs if wrong?
    Does you job or career have a situation where taking banned substances would unfairly increase your chances of winning over another person on an international stage -where the competition is often between just a handful of the 7 billion other people on earth? -Where there was a responsibility and commitment to follow a code of conduct and where entire fortunes and businesses could turn on the results of a few minutes of a game? Sponsorships, endorsements, and national pride can create unreal pressure, but the rewards are also unreal.And so, some take unreal risks.

    "Loss of freedom" is relative to everything you value. Maybe you should ask most of these poor athletes how inconvenienced they feel about the occasional test. Would they be willing to trade in their shackles of being a poor misunderstood pro international athlete, for the shackles of a desk job or a call centre? Where many thousands regularly get laid off anyway for no fault of their own?

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    ^ Fortune, fame, untold glory and rewards... clearly I'm in the wrong profession...
    Last edited by visor; 02-03-2014 at 11:54 PM.

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    On a side note, it's too bad Hollywood isn't under the WADA.
    Imagine if professional artistes were bound by these rules...

    Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston and Philip Seymour Hoffman would be alive.
    Amanda Bynes, Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen would still have top careers.
    And Britney Spears and Justin Bieber wouldn't be riding the Down elevator

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    On a side note, it's too bad Hollywood isn't under the WADA.
    Imagine if professional artistes were bound by these rules...

    Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston and Philip Seymour Hoffman would be alive.
    Amanda Bynes, Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen would still have top careers.
    And Britney Spears and Justin Bieber wouldn't be riding the Down elevator
    Although if you think about the penalties imposed, sure they would be alive but their careers would be so-called sanctioned or banned for at least a few years anyways, if only for deterrence purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    On a side note, it's too bad Hollywood isn't under the WADA.
    Imagine if professional artistes were bound by these rules...

    Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston and Philip Seymour Hoffman would be alive.
    Amanda Bynes, Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen would still have top careers.
    And Britney Spears and Justin Bieber wouldn't be riding the Down elevator
    This is a joke right. All good music and film is born out of drugs. That is one industry that WADA would completely destroy, not help. These folk you mentioned are tortured souls, if it wasn't drugs it would be something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    This is a joke right. All good music and film is born out of drugs. That is one industry that WADA would completely destroy, not help. These folk you mentioned are tortured souls, if it wasn't drugs it would be something else.
    IMHO, it's one thing to use drugs.
    And it's another thing to abuse drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    IMHO, it's one thing to use drugs.
    And it's another thing to abuse drugs.
    The problem with these psychoactive drugs is that they're addictive and has a weaker effect over time. This eventually inexorably leads the user to overuse, abuse, and sometimes overdose. That's why they're illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    This is a joke right. All good music and film is born out of drugs. That is one industry that WADA would completely destroy, not help. These folk you mentioned are tortured souls, if it wasn't drugs it would be something else.
    Reynard!

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    Default BWF sanctions Kim Ki Jung, Lee Yong Dae for 1 year

    Ppl just try to find excuse or exception for their favorite player here... Don't forget that such practice is not just imposed on LYD, Kim or KBA, it applies to all badminton pro players, apply to all national associations, (apply to all players of all sports in fact). Just think about why LYD and Kim could fail such practice but not other players? Think about why just they could not do it but others could do it? Think about why they failed to do so for 3 times?

    Chances had been given 3 times, but still failed to comply? What should the governing organization BWF do to show fairness to all other players who effort end to comply with the practice? If they were not punished according to rules, what will the other players think and do?

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    WADA has an official youtube channel!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/user/wadamovies

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    From Reuters
    "When the WADA inspectors visited the Taeneung National Training Centre in March and November last year, Lee and Kim were not there as they were participating in local and international competitions," Kim said.
    This is ridiculous. Inspectors' logic: you are playing overseas, so you fail our surprise drug test. They are ruining our sport, they should be banned

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigH-Max View Post
    From Reuters

    This is ridiculous. Inspectors' logic: you are playing overseas, so you fail our surprise drug test. They are ruining our sport, they should be banned
    Please read the report carefully. The inspectors have not said that the players failed the drug test. According the BWF, the players did not complete the test because they were not at the place they were supposed to be as per their whereabouts report.

    BWF is bound by the rules for action. If a ban has been issued, it is the result of multiple violations. Either the player, or association, or both are to blame. In every case, the player is ultimately responsible.
    The rules and regulations are clearly laid out, and most players and associations manage to follow these without any issues.

    You missed out on including the next paragraph, which explains it correctly:

    "When the WADA inspectors visited the Taeneung National Training Centre in March and November last year, Lee and Kim were not there as they were participating in local and international competitions," Kim said.
    "We failed to submit a whereabouts report online last September as well.


    Earlier in the report:

    The BWF said it chose not to dish out the maximum two-year ban "due to the Badminton Korea Association's failure ... to make diligent efforts to keep the BWF informed about the players' whereabouts."

    Clearly, the players and BKA between them failed to comply with procedure and regulations. The rules are applicable to thousands of athletes, and more than 99% of them have no problems with compliance.

    WADA is not ruining the sport. It is administrators and players who do not take their responsibilities seriously enough who will contribute to the ruin of the
    sport.

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    how the saga of lee yong dae and kim ki jung??? :/

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    how to use ADAMS


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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Please read the report carefully. The inspectors have not said that the players failed the drug test. According the BWF, the players did not complete the test because they were not at the place they were supposed to be as per their whereabouts report.
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    WADA is not ruining the sport. It is administrators and players who do not take their responsibilities seriously enough who will contribute to the ruin of the
    sport.
    I know how to read, thanks.
    Have you ever thought that the problem comes from the rules themselves? The whereabouts system is clearly a pain to follow.
    Do you also think BWF and their lousy round robin system was not to be blamed for the DQ of the 4 pairs at the 2012 Olympics? Instead of blindlessly abiding by the rules, one should see if they are not causing the problem to start with. Read this, for example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/7870729.stm

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