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    For someone to go on and on about the ruling is meant to 'control'(sic) CHN, to prevent 'deliberately losing', 'walkovers' (in the Olympics?), blah,blah,blah is to deliberately divert the issue, a Red herring,based on faulty/hasty generalizations, an appeal to consequences, an appeal to spite - prompted no doubt by sour grapes,a sore loser's attitude and extreme prejudice towards CHN. In effect his argument is also a straw man (based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position which, in this case, is about unfairly limiting CHN's chances of winning too many medals).

    You can count on him to play the same old tune every time CHN is involved, invariably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Really? So that means you disagree with continental representation. I saw a South African pair play on TV. So they lost their match. It still gets publicised in their country. Canadians got a crack at getting a badminton medal. That's the chance you get. You can still get the best two in a country if they are good enough.
    it depends, in the USA, if a US player loses, they don't even bother airing that match. too embarassing.

    FYI, You are actually wrong . Lin Dan has also lost in the first round of a previous Olympics (iirc he was no.1 in the world then losing to a Singapore player). So the best players in the world may not necessarily get to the finals. Kim Dong Moon and Ra Kyu Min were the most dominant mixed doubles pair for two years running up to an Olympics and they lost I think in 2nd round quite unexpectedly to a Danish pair.
    and it was to Jonas Rasmussen and Rikke Olsen if i remember correctly.

    those are the two biggest upsets of the Olympics.

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    It's somewhat unfortunate that the stakes involved in winning an Olympic medal,esp gold, is disproportionately high for practically all athletes with few exceptions (some rich pro tennis players,perhaps) and,moreover, it is more or less widely regarded as an athlete's defining moment in his/her career such that many would willingly give life and limb for - what would Coubertin, considered the father of the modern Olympic Games, have thought of this, I wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    I'm having a little difficulty in understanding this para from BWF document on the OG2016 qualification system...

    http://bwfbadminton.org/file.aspx?id=529944&dl=1

    ...and the para is (on page 4):

    "If an athlete qualifies (and is selected) in more than one (1) event, then the unused athlete quota place will be allocated to the next best ranked athlete of the same gender in the singles event on the World Ranking Lists of 5 May 2016. The offer of this Quota Place will however be conditional on the athlete who is qualified in more than one (1) events being confirmed and entered by his/her NOC in the Rio 2016 Olympic Games."

    Obviously, such an athlete would be a doubles specialist. So the unused quota place would be allocated to a singles player? And from the same NOC or the next on the BWF rankings list?
    Still looking for some clarification from anyone here?

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    It is really tough to be a CHN TT (extreme internal competition) and to a lesser extent baddy player. Countless years of hard training not including time invested that cannot get back, to excel in these 2 sports to be the world's best and to beat your comrades to earn that 3rd spot only to be defeated by ruling that changes color like a chameleon every 4 OLY years simply because your own country is too darn good for the ROW.
    BWF has no solution to WO and match fixing of which CHN is a master in this art, CHN domination and in this forum alone has sparked countless debates and arguments going nowhere ...IOC introduced this 2-person rule, smoke screen believers it is to promote global participation, betterment of the sport and spread the game, that is the biggest bull I seen farting around in the Canadian Prairies....the true intent is to solve the 3 above issues. Just admit it and that would be an easier pill to swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Still looking for some clarification from anyone here?
    what the OLY wanted is the same number of male/female players.

    say if Zhao YL qualify for both WD and XD that will free up a place in WS and the one just missed out qualification will take up that extra place.

    same for male players, obviously.

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    When LCW announced he is retiring end of 2014, I said I don't think so and let's revisit this at the end of 2014. Now, with this 2-peron rule for OLY16, I be the first to state 'LCW will not retire and will play RIO'.
    LD in OLY08 smacked LCW silly, LD in OLY12 narrowly won (even LD said he was prepared to lose), OLY16 if LD plays is 50-50 if both meet again in the final. LCW has a great chance of nailing this; he just has to maintain his form till RIO.
    CL is like a speculative stock when it comes to majors, you do not know which CL shows up; the mediocre one or the next King, the one that can wins them all or the one that fizzles out. With 1 less CHN player that remove match-fixing, LCW chance has been greatly enhanced.
    A gold medal the first malaysian to do so, a M$ reward and what-else awaiting...no way LCW will retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    what the OLY wanted is the same number of male/female players.

    say if Zhao YL qualify for both WD and XD that will free up a place in WS and the one just missed out qualification will take up that extra place.

    same for male players, obviously.
    ..and exactly how is that going to affect the WS lineup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    what the OLY wanted is the same number of male/female players.

    say if Zhao YL qualify for both WD and XD that will free up a place in WS and the one just missed out qualification will take up that extra place.

    same for male players, obviously.
    Looks like ZYL will be a busy girl to nail the 2 spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    ..and exactly how is that going to affect the WS lineup?
    let say we have 16 WS, 16 MS and 8 pairs each for MD, WD and WD qualified. that will be 40 males and 40 female players.

    because ZYL qualify for both then we ended up with 40 males and 39 females, so the rule says get 1 more WS to get even to make it 40/40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    This is one of the blunt and stupid comparison i have ever seen.. Lol. IOC did not accept the political involvement in the selection committee. This is totally irrelevant and unmatchable comparison to the "fair" play which i mentioned. Something which you totally concealed for your sake.. Even without IOC , indian players can play badminton. But what about the disqualification of chinese players for their ....?? . Full soverignty of the sport is in question !!!! Great comparison dude. ...
    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    This is one of the blunt and stupid comparison i have ever seen.. Lol. IOC did not accept the political involvement in the selection committee. This is totally irrelevant and unmatchable comparison to the "fair" play which i mentioned. Something which you totally concealed for your sake.. Even without IOC , indian players can play badminton. But what about the disqualification of chinese players for their ....?? . Full soverignty of the sport is in question !!!! Great comparison dude. ...
    You know, funny thing, basically what I remember was that in the London 2012 for example, 2 Korean pairs and an Indonesian pair were all suspended for well, oh what is it again, unsportsmanlike play. So the reason for singling out China out about fair play is what... exactly?

    On top of that, I couldn't also help but notice the action of the Chinese team is PRECISELY CAUSED by the cumulative effect of various action by the BWF to limit its dominance. Seemed like to me if the 5th best player in the world was allowed to participate in a tournament that supposedly contained the best in the world, I'm guessing there wouldn't be a problem.

    But don't worry, I won't be going out of my way to accuse India of walkover (as you did in your brain dead reply). The chances of two Indian players meeting in a top level tournament in the foreseeable future is basically nil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindreader View Post
    You know, funny thing, basically what I remember was that in the London 2012 for example, 2 Korean pairs and an Indonesian pair were all suspended for well, oh what is it again, unsportsmanlike play. So the reason for singling out China out about fair play is what... exactly?
    the Japanese pair also thrown their last match against the Taiwanese girls to avoid the Chinese pair and got away scot free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    ..and exactly how is that going to affect the WS lineup?
    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    let say we have 16 WS, 16 MS and 8 pairs each for MD, WD and WD qualified. that will be 40 males and 40 female players.

    because ZYL qualify for both then we ended up with 40 males and 39 females, so the rule says get 1 more WS to get even to make it 40/40.
    I got that already, Alan. My question is, how does this affect the WS lineup? Who gets to fill that "vacant" spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    I got that already, Alan. My question is, how does this affect the WS lineup? Who gets to fill that "vacant" spot?
    The first in the reserve list, I.e. The one that just missed out.

    Let say the top 16 WS all qualified. And Zhao YL decided she will go for both doubles that she qualified then the WS no 17 get the free place
    Last edited by AlanY; 02-27-2014 at 06:57 PM.

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    ^ Thank you, Alan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    If they did that for all disciplines and games (and why not, eh?), the OG would take an entire season!
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    Haha! You know, if you make the draw twice as big you get one extra round to play, so the tournament basically extends by 1 day. I don't know, I just think the draws in badminton are so small. 32-draw in Super Series events, compare that to the 128-draw in tennis Grand Slams, what a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vixter View Post
    Haha! You know, if you make the draw twice as big you get one extra round to play, so the tournament basically extends by 1 day. I don't know, I just think the draws in badminton are so small. 32-draw in Super Series events, compare that to the 128-draw in tennis Grand Slams, what a difference.
    Well, if they do away with the stupid round-robin system, it may yet be possible.

    I would suppose that the is a certain allocation made for each sport in terms of time, days, and other resources. I hope BWF will be seriously re-considering the round-robin question after the 2012 fiasco. But on evidence, it doesn't appear so. Perhaps they will persist with it because it provides some more extended exposure for the representatives of nations who would otherwise not get a look-in.

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