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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    for the winter olympics in Russia going on now,

    Netherlands has won Gold, Silver and bronze for the Men's 500m, 5,000m & 10,000m and Ladies 1,500m in speed skating.

    Only yesterday France got Gold, Silver and bronze for Men's Ski Cross.

    wonder when and how the olympics committee going to change the rules to level the playing field.
    The Netherlands won 6 out of the 10 gold medals in the speed skating sport.

    For Ski cross, are you talking about snowboard cross in snowboarding? If yes, the leading country so far is USA, who has won 3 out of 8 gold medals to be won. France only has won one gold medal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    they'd taken care of the doubles last time round
    You are quite right. Doubles was limited to 2 pairs per NOC in 2012.

    So they are bringing singles into line with doubles.

    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=22692

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    The Netherlands won 6 out of the 10 gold medals in the speed skating sport.

    For Ski cross, are you talking about snowboard cross in snowboarding? If yes, the leading country so far is USA, who has won 3 out of 8 gold medals to be won. France only has won one gold medal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    If China haven't won all 5 gold medals in London, we would not be having this discussion.
    btw, is the above sentence grammatically correct? thanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    btw, is the above sentence grammatically correct? thanks..
    "If China had not..."
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    here is the maximum quota for single's players in Olympics :


    OG 2004 :
    max 3 if they are in top 8 (China has 5 MS in top 8 at that moment)
    max 2 if in top 16


    OG 2008 & OG 2012 :
    max 3 if in top 4
    max 2 if in top 16


    OG 2016 :
    max 2 if in top 16



    to be fair, why BWF didn't set the regulation just like Double's department in OG 2012 ?
    max 2 if they are in top 8.



    well, it is easy for china to have 2 singles player to be in top 8.

    but for other countries likes indonesia, denmark, malaysia and etc, it is quite difficult, that's why the regulation for maximum 2 players still the same since 2004.


    as usual, BWF only targetting china's players
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    it's actually to top 16 will do.

    having said that if bwf really wishes to increase the number of players for the minor countries then they could make that to only 2 players if they are within top 8.

    Based on today's ranking as an example that will release 11 more single places (5MS & 6WS) rather than ONE for the current proposal.
    agree. Tanongsak, Sony, Sindhu, Nichaon, Mitani and others whom failed to reach top 8 will be out. they must thanks to bwf for not targetting ROW players
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    Perhaps the new rule reduces the possibility of teams to deliberately give up matches that assist team mates?

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    I think BWF have got it wrong this time.

    They have denied an athlete who has very good chance of at least winning a bronze or silver medal a place at the Olympics.

    If we had this rule in London 2012, LXR could have been denied a place at the Olympics.

    Isn't that ludicrous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Refer you back to post #15 of this thread.
    Getting thrashed by Lin Dan or watching one's countryman get thrashed by Lin Dan doesn't seem like it would achieve that effect. Let's hope I'm wrong.

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    Olympia becomes with each event more weird.

    The idea of Olympia was anti-nationalism and anti-discrimination.

    It is absolutely absurd if someone is top 4 or top 10 and cant compete in oympia just because of his/her nationality. This is actually the definition of discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phalanx View Post
    Olympia becomes with each event more weird.

    The idea of Olympia was anti-nationalism and anti-discrimination.

    It is absolutely absurd if someone is top 4 or top 10 and cant compete in oympia just because of his/her nationality. This is actually the definition of discrimination.
    It's not discrimination. If a world no. 3 is not eligible, it's because no.1 and no.2 is from the same country. Tough luck! If you want to participate as badminton player in Olympics, you better make sure you are top 2 in your country. If the competition in your own country is simply too strong, there is always the choice of representing another nation. Just look at Yao Jie, Pi Hongyan and Xu Huaiwen.

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    BWF has a choice. It can raise the limit from three to four per nation so that the best four in the world can compete.

    It is not China's fault that they are the best. It's the fault of other nations in not catching up.

    If the limit is raised to four or five, players from other nations can leave their home countries and represent China!!

    Isn't that much better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindreader View Post
    Getting thrashed by Lin Dan or watching one's countryman get thrashed by Lin Dan doesn't seem like it would achieve that effect. Let's hope I'm wrong.
    Really? So that means you disagree with continental representation. I saw a South African pair play on TV. So they lost their match. It still gets publicised in their country. Canadians got a crack at getting a badminton medal. That's the chance you get. You can still get the best two in a country if they are good enough.

    FYI, You are actually wrong . Lin Dan has also lost in the first round of a previous Olympics (iirc he was no.1 in the world then losing to a Singapore player). So the best players in the world may not necessarily get to the finals. Kim Dong Moon and Ra Kyu Min were the most dominant mixed doubles pair for two years running up to an Olympics and they lost I think in 2nd round quite unexpectedly to a Danish pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    BWF has a choice. It can raise the limit from three to four per nation so that the best four in the world can compete.

    It is not China's fault that they are the best. It's the fault of other nations in not catching up.

    .....

    Isn't that much better?
    that's right BWF have a choice and they chose to limit it to two singles players from any NOC (not only China). Therefore it cannot be discrimination if the same rule applies to the other NOC. Even Japan can't send more than two women's doubles pairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    that's right BWF have a choice and they chose to limit it to two singles players from any NOC (not only China). Therefore it cannot be discrimination if the same rule applies to the other NOC. Even Japan can't send more than two women's doubles pairs.

    So why would denying LXR a place in 2012 London Olympics for example be good for our sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    So why would denying LXR a place in 2012 London Olympics for example be good for our sport?
    That decision actually rests with CBA, not BWF. Every national association pick their best medal prospects at the time. It doesn't mean those players will definitely win. Easy to say after the event has happened. LD was hot favourite in 2004. Whether the national association gets it right in choosing the players is another debate.

    LXR may still have been chosen by CBA. How do you she wouldn't have been...? Only CBA can decide.

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