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    Default Shaft losing stiffness over time / with use.

    Sup. How much does a racquet shaft change over time? I don't expect an MX80 would eventually turn into an MX60 but I read that it does soften with use. I know it depends on so many factors so just asking for examples / rough guide. Cheers.

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    Apparently shaft stiffness becomes a problem as things get older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbswansea View Post
    Apparently shaft stiffness becomes a problem as things get older.
    Just pay a visit to your doctor, he has a pill to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Just pay a visit to your doctor, he has a pill to fix it.
    I was just trying to reassure Sam that it's ok :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbswansea View Post
    I was just trying to reassure Sam that it's ok :-)
    It's not OK if his significant other complains of problems with shaft stiffness.

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    I have had no such complaints! I just don't want it to go soft from playing with it too much. I've noticed the shaft is longer since I got my new sword.

    Another duckfeet thread into the gutter...

    Now I'm definitely not posting a pic of my exposed shaft on my broken handle.

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    Lol... But back to topic, like I mentioned before, even if the carbon doesn't soften, the resin does over time and after repetitive bending cycles. But we're talking about many many hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Lol... But back to topic, like I mentioned before, even if the carbon doesn't soften, the resin does over time and after repetitive bending cycles. But we're talking about many many hours.
    Actually, my experience is the reverse, the shaft soften a bit in the first 10-20 hours of play, and then somewhat stabilize.

    My experience is mainly from the VTZF. When it was introduced, there were some comment about the shaft softened slightly after play. So, when re-string mine for the first time, after about 20 hours of play, I compared it with fresh samples in the dealer by hand bending the rackets. My used one did feel slightly more flexi than the fresh ones.

    I have been using it for nearly 2 years now, and it doesn't seem to soften any further!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekong View Post
    Actually, my experience is the reverse, the shaft soften a bit in the first 10-20 hours of play, and then somewhat stabilize.

    My experience is mainly from the VTZF. When it was introduced, there were some comment about the shaft softened slightly after play. So, when re-string mine for the first time, after about 20 hours of play, I compared it with fresh samples in the dealer by hand bending the rackets. My used one did feel slightly more flexi than the fresh ones.

    I have been using it for nearly 2 years now, and it doesn't seem to soften any further!
    Scientifically, based on studies that have been conducted on such materials, realistically what you described is what should happen. After a set in period it should have a permanent level of flex or stiffness. Apparently such materials won't soften over time due to having a natural degree of flexibility. I made a post regarding this here.

    http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/sho...=1#post2187374

    People may find rackets seem less stiff simply because they are getting stronger. I personally have several rackets that are very old and don't feel any different to me except after I become more accustomed to head heavy rackets, and then switch back to them randomly.

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    Good post. Thanks Naim.

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    If you flex most materials (Aluminium being the exception) under it's yield point, it can in theory be flexed in the same way forever without any degradation to it's performance.

    I haven't tested it, but I suspect that the fatigue life of your standard badminton racket is pretty ridiculously high. Remember, you're only hitting a shuttlecock and most of the stress is attenuated by the strings, and most of the bending of the shaft at least is - I would suspect - not even vaguely close to it's yield point.

    In theory the resin could degrade under UV, but we're seeing 20+ year old carbon fiber bicycles not exhibiting these problems so I think it's safe to say it's a non-issue for badminton rackets.

    So basically....no. Your racket is not getting softer, it wasn't softer for the first 20 hours and now it's stable - it is what it is and it will stay that way decades after you've got bored with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    So basically....no. Your racket is not getting softer, it wasn't softer for the first 20 hours and now it's stable - it is what it is and it will stay that way decades after you've got bored with it.
    Again, my experience is different! I have 4 VTZF, 2 regular SP (3UG5), 2 Olympic Edition (1 SP 3UG4, 1 JP 4UG5). One of the regular SP I play often, and the rest 3 never been strung or play!

    Because of this thread, I pull them all out to check last night, the one I play with often is slightly, but noticeably, more flexi than the other 3, which are quite consistent among themselves!


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    Quote Originally Posted by thekong View Post
    Again, my experience is different! I have 4 VTZF, 2 regular SP (3UG5), 2 Olympic Edition (1 SP 3UG4, 1 JP 4UG5). One of the regular SP I play often, and the rest 3 never been strung or play!

    Because of this thread, I pull them all out to check last night, the one I play with often is slightly, but noticeably, more flexi than the other 3, which are quite consistent among themselves!

    Could it just be placebo or your conditioning on the day? Personally all my rackets feel the same as when I first bought them, as mentioned, even my older ones from what I can remember anyway. It's so very hard if not impossible to gauge these things if you're not doing it scientifically.

    As the links I posted above show, realistically there should be no change as carbon has natural flexibility. Maybe that initial period you speak of is actually the softness of the initial grip? It does harden (due to material compression) and flatten the longer you play, so that could be it. But I'm just theorising. No idea without real data.

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    Well, I really didn't have any scientific way to test it! Since the 3 were never strung, of course I couldn't play with them either. So, I just bent them by hand to test, but the one I play with often does feel slightly flexier!

    Yes, I understand hand bending test may not directly translate to the way it plays, but now we are just talking about the stiffness of the shaft, not the way it plays!

    Actually, I am not the first one to say so, if you check back on the posts right after the initial introduction of the VTZF, a number of users commented that the shaft gone flexier after a short time of play! Placebo effect? Maybe, but I kind of doubt it!

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    Everything has a manufactured tolerance, so any difference in stiffness you feel could simply be that tolerance, too.

    There's so many things in could be, anecdotally...it's just that you fatiguing the racket out after a couple of years is at the bottom of the list.

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    Maybe it's a mental thing lol

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    Maybe it is a mental thing but to men it is a real physical difference that I can feel both while in play and just doing a static bend test.

    If I didn't break any of my BS 12s (both blue and gray ones) I estimate I actually have to buy a new one minimally every year even if I play on average twice a week.

    The last time I had any surviving BS 12/12Ns that I had used for at least 8months to a year and I got a brand new one which felt noticeably stiffer even after playing with the latest one for a month. I actually had to put my BS 12 KRP into retirement because it was giving me shoulder pains by being too flexible.

    Kept trying to force power out of it and it bit me in the ass and I had to switch to stiffer pieces like the JJS just to not make things worse.

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