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    Quote Originally Posted by raymond View Post
    Minor correction. I shouldn't have said Yonex AS-30 is faster. It's the "gold" standard in speed, if you do the speed test properly. Instead, I should say the other brands are not of the right speeds (i.e. too slow). Here's Coach Paul's article:

    http://badminton-coach.co.uk/278/mor...g-a-hot-topic/
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    http://badminton-coach.co.uk/261/why...-skill-levels/
    ????
    All yonex shuttles have different speeds and are inconsistent between batches as well. Conditions effect the shuttles speed that's why they take 3 different speeds to a tournament.
    To say Yonex AS-30 is the gold standard in speed is just wrong. If I had a speed 2 as-30 and you had a speed 4 as-30 your shuttle is going to be a massively faster shuttle. In uk they sell speed 2,3 and 4or (77,78&79).
    Other brands perform better from batch to batch as well just depends. Also gold standard would surely be the as-50 or as tournament shuttle if you were going for yonex.

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    I don't get the question!!

    A baseline to baseline clear is the most important shot in badminton.
    So the answer is: Yes, EVERY 13-year-old girl who takes the sport somewhat serious should be able to play solid clears... You can never play serious badminton without this shot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    ????
    All yonex shuttles have different speeds and are inconsistent between batches as well. Conditions effect the shuttles speed that's why they take 3 different speeds to a tournament.
    To say Yonex AS-30 is the gold standard in speed is just wrong. If I had a speed 2 as-30 and you had a speed 4 as-30 your shuttle is going to be a massively faster shuttle. In uk they sell speed 2,3 and 4or (77,78&79).
    Other brands perform better from batch to batch as well just depends. Also gold standard would surely be the as-50 or as tournament shuttle if you were going for yonex.
    AS-50 may be for adult or higher level (i.e. international) tournaments? Given a particular speed (e.g. 77) for your altitude, humidity and temperature, the shuttle speed among different brands could be different. Of course, there would be variations in speed even at a given speed of AS-30. It's called "tolerance" in the specification. But I'm not surprised some spec is tighter than others.

    It seems you should read coach Stewart's article I provided earlier. He also provides method to do shuttle speed testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymond View Post
    AS-50 may be for adult or higher level (i.e. international) tournaments? Given a particular speed (e.g. 77) for your altitude, humidity and temperature, the shuttle speed among different brands could be different. Of course, there would be variations in speed even at a given speed of AS-30. It's called "tolerance" in the specification. But I'm not surprised some spec is tighter than others.

    It seems you should read coach Stewart's article I provided earlier. He also provides method to do shuttle speed testing.
    lol I am well aware of shuttle seed testing.

    I will try again, basically you think yonex as-30's are this:
    "It's the "gold" standard in speed, if you do the speed test properly. Instead, I should say the other brands are not of the right speeds (i.e. too slow)."
    I am telling you that this is completely false, untrue, not an ounce of truth, complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agdwh View Post
    Hi,
    I (Age 35) find it very difficult to hit clear while playing badminton for pretty long.
    There is a 13 year old girl( and many more) at the club where I play , hitting forehand clear with amazing whipping sound.
    I am surprised if she is stronger than me.
    Can someone explain this,
    AG
    have you seen this video?


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    Overhead clears are not only basic warm-up shots, they are also good to improve your consistency and stamina. 30 yrs ago we used to have at least "clears only" warm up for at least 15 mins for our singles in highschool team practice.

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    I would say you are not using forearm pronation correctly, Using it proper you should be able to play a clear baseline to baseline with ease, watch the video posted above, it's probably the best explaination you'll get from overhead shots, I know my game improved significantly when I started to use pronation

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    lol I am well aware of shuttle seed testing.

    I will try again, basically you think yonex as-30's are this:
    "It's the "gold" standard in speed, if you do the speed test properly. Instead, I should say the other brands are not of the right speeds (i.e. too slow)."
    I am telling you that this is completely false, untrue, not an ounce of truth, complete nonsense.
    My point, within the context of this thread, is this - a lot of club players use shuttles of incorrect speeds. They think they know how to test shuttle speed, but actually they don't. Incorrect shuttle speed could contribute to OP's difficulty in clearing full length, in addition to other factors I mentioned.

    Not all speed 77 shuttles of different brands fly the same speed, even in the same gym, at about the same time, hit by same people. This is my personal experience, and that is also what Paul Stewart talks about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymond View Post
    My point, within the context of this thread, is this - a lot of club players use shuttles of incorrect speeds. They think they know how to test shuttle speed, but actually they don't. Incorrect shuttle speed could contribute to OP's difficulty in clearing full length, in addition to other factors I mentioned.

    Not all speed 77 shuttles of different brands fly the same speed, even in the same gym, at about the same time, hit by same people. This is my personal experience, and that is also what Paul Stewart talks about.
    Look I am sure you mean well but your apparent point was drowned in false information. This forum is a reference for many players some beginners, so I think try not to lead them down the garden path.

    Just to clarify Paul Stewart is pretty clued up and although I have not read every piece of material he has wrote, I can almost assure you he has never ever wrote anything to the tune of as-30's are the gold standard in speed(crazy idea) and all other shuttles are not the right speeds.
    Any good brand of any shuttle when speed tested will have at least one of their speed category that would fit the conditions and be within the laws for badminton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agdwh View Post
    Hi,
    I (Age 35) find it very difficult to hit clear while playing badminton for pretty long.
    There is a 13 year old girl( and many more) at the club where I play , hitting forehand clear with amazing whipping sound.
    I am surprised if she is stronger than me.
    Can someone explain this,
    AG
    Have you ever pay a coach teaching you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    Look I am sure you mean well but your apparent point was drowned in false information. This forum is a reference for many players some beginners, so I think try not to lead them down the garden path.

    Just to clarify Paul Stewart is pretty clued up and although I have not read every piece of material he has wrote, I can almost assure you he has never ever wrote anything to the tune of as-30's are the gold standard in speed(crazy idea) and all other shuttles are not the right speeds.
    Any good brand of any shuttle when speed tested will have at least one of their speed category that would fit the conditions and be within the laws for badminton.
    In hindsight, my statement might have gone over-board, though I didn't mean it (and you notice I used double-quote around "gold", don't you?). Wasn't careful enough to catch its implication, and some people allergic to it.. I'm sure there are other good shuttles than AS-30, and that you're right Paul didn't say AS30 is the gold standard.

    Let's get back to the main thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymond View Post
    My point, within the context of this thread, is this - a lot of club players use shuttles of incorrect speeds. They think they know how to test shuttle speed, but actually they don't. Incorrect shuttle speed could contribute to OP's difficulty in clearing full length, in addition to other factors I mentioned.

    ....
    The way the OP framed the question, I assumed they were on the same courts and assumed same shuttles. But yes, different shuttle speed or different brand are possibilities. But would the OP have asked that question if he is able to clear full length in other courts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The way the OP framed the question, I assumed they were on the same courts and assumed same shuttles. But yes, different shuttle speed or different brand are possibilities. But would the OP have asked that question if he is able to clear full length in other courts?
    Interesting. Same post, you and I saw two different pictures. Maybe OP can come out and confirm the situation.
    On the other hand, I often notice adults in awe watching juniors training. These adults may not be able to do full length clears, and are amazed the young juniors can. BTW, in case this discussion goes one-sided again, please note that I'm not "blaming" all on the shuttle speeds (or rather incorrect shuttle speeds). Please review my first post on this thread on all factors.

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    Found a clue to the OP's difficulty. Doesn't seem to be a shuttle related problem.

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...unable-to-play

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Found a clue to the OP's difficulty. Doesn't seem to be a shuttle related problem.

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...unable-to-play
    Not having read that thread, if the coach had to correct his grip, that means he was most likely pan handling and not pronating.

    In this day and age of YouTube and slow mo videos of pro players, why is it so difficult for anyone to just go search and watch how badminton is really played... both technically and tactically.

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    Well it isn't hard to find 8 years old girls play baseline to baseline clears. It is not about the strength but how well u execute the skill. Sweetspot, body coordination, right shuttle racket contact.

    There are 13,14,15 years old playing in the world junior championships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    In this day and age of YouTube and slow mo videos of pro players, why is it so difficult for anyone to just go search and watch how badminton is really played... both technically and tactically.
    Anybody know where I can find good quality slow motion videos of Ratchanok's overhead shots?

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